warning: big group at pebble and pistol this weekend

Post by **bberlier** » Fri Apr 16, 2004 4:58 pm

(not that I give a crap about being right, to be honest).

BULLSHIT

Post by **overhung** » Fri Apr 16, 2004 5:05 pm

Guest · Post by **Guest** » Fri Apr 16, 2004 5:05 pm

bberlier wrote:
(not that I give a crap about being right, to be honest).
BULLSHIT

believe what you want, bblerlier, I couldn't care any less. Instead of making this into some kind of personal pissing match, though, why not use this discussion as a sounding board for what you can do as part of the CAC about the problem of large group impacts?

Post by **andy_lemon** » Fri Apr 16, 2004 5:06 pm

Well, if you need a permit then contact your local district manager of the NFS. He will email you the permit form for which you fill out and send it back. It took us about two weeks to have it processed. We filled one out for the SoIll Summer Beer Fest even though we didn't need one (since we were under 75 people). I have heard that the NFS doesn't grant too many permits. However, they granted us a permit. BTW, we did this all through email. Not really that big of a deal, it just takes a bit of time.

Andy

Post by **andy_lemon** » Fri Apr 16, 2004 5:15 pm

All guiding and outfitting activities on National Forest System lands, commercial or non-commercial require a permit.

So what is non-commercial guiding? Say you have an out-of-towner who has never been to RRG, doesn't know any of the routes, and is a total n00b. That is in a sence guiding and I think we have all done that a time or two.

Post by **bberlier** » Fri Apr 16, 2004 5:16 pm

OK. Tell Scott to e-mail me. He has the address.

Post by **Wicked Tribe** » Fri Apr 16, 2004 5:38 pm

I have dealt with the FS as a private guide for about six years now and I know that the local FS would like all organized groups to at least get a temporary use permits. They want a way to communicate with these usually high impact groups.

Whether or not the law requires this I think it is imperitive that these university and other groups should get at the very least a temporary permit. I am allowed to guide at certain approved crags, I have stipulations regarding parking and seasonal use of certain areas. They should be aware of these special circumstances as well. Perfect example: Fortress. I am not allowed to park at the main parking area for Fortress. This comes, I think from Natural Heights' original permit which limited their parking because they had a 15 passenger van. I don't have a 15 passenger van but am still restricted in my permit. I don't know how many times I've been to Fortress and experienced some university group with two or more 15 passenger vans parked at the very small main area.

These groups seem to be oblivious to common courtesy so maybe they need to be reigned in a little. At the least they need to be informed of all the crap the rest of us have to deal with. I could discuss this topic for hours and will if I don't end it here.

Post by **captain static** » Fri Apr 16, 2004 5:49 pm

We need to sic Vic on 'em. Instead of just going to gyms, his next road trip needs to include presentations to University groups.

Guest · Post by **Guest** » Fri Apr 16, 2004 6:17 pm

bberlier wrote:OK. Tell Scott to e-mail me. He has the address.

if this is directed at me, I'd like to ask you to please contact Scott yourself, since I'm out of the CAC loop.

I sincerely hope the information in this thread is helpful. That was the spirit in which I intended my questions as well as my search for additional information. When things don't make sense, I ask questions and look for answers that do. (JB, maybe I'm a masochist?)

Please take Hugh's comments to heart, as well. This is not a small issue, and it's been on the table with the CAC for at least a year now.

Post by **SCIN** » Fri Apr 16, 2004 6:47 pm

Hey Strum, that was pretty cool of you to post that on the board. I wish everyone would do that.

I'm going to be guiding a few beginners tomorrow at Global so we'll probably be on Eureka and Father and Son. There will only be about 5 of us though.