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The post below was in the you-suck-I-suck-everything-sucks forum. I took the liberty of moving it to the climbing community because it brings up a very broad question: Why is anyone climbing that hard lacking the basic ethics that hold this community together??

If they are not yours don't take them. Someone else's draws on a route should be sacrosanct. It is great to get on a route that has draws hanging. Especially one that is graded hard and difficult to clean. Someone should feel grateful that the draws were up there in the first place.

WTF?????

Perhaps the concept of "climbing booty" is bad karma. Fine, great, rejoice you got some free stuff because you can do something that thing 2 could not, but there should be a nagging moral shadow behind taking what is not yours--whatever that thing is.

Usually people's behavior is governed by bills of rights and constitutions etc. How do we get the word out about the climbing ethic?

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okay, allah won't post this, so i will...
hoping there is an innocent explanation for someone taking kenny's draws off gluttony, the 12a at purgatory. he left them up there last weekend, and this friday, they were gone. i am guessing anyone who posts here would not have a selfish reason for taking them, and if it was some asshole who wanted free booty, they will never read this anyways. anywho, was just pissed and hoping some nice local was the one who cleaned the route.

some people are just crazy for the booty, as if you can't just go out and buy it yourself...

I hope that someone owns up and calls Kenny about the booty...ya know, gives him a booty call.

wait sorry, is this suppose to be a serious thread? Seriously then, I just don't get it about taking draws off a route. I got 50 bucks that says it was some wanna be gumby dumb-ass.

i think educating gumbies is paramont. i'm hoping this was an ignorant mistake and not an act of willful theft.

at the UClimb clinic I know we tried to cover all the basics, but I'm not sure if we ever did talk about the difference between fixed gear and booty. i know it never occured to me to mention it.

i am guessing anyone who posts here would not have a selfish reason for taking them, and if it was some asshole who wanted free booty, they will never read this anyways.

i agree with tankazz that the person responsible probably doesn't read this board. perhaps we should post something at Miguels.

i think the moral of the story is people need to stop stealing shit from Kenny so we can stop feeling sorry for him and replacing all his gear every time! i'm totally kidding Kenny, that sucks big time. the gumby thing is a valid comment, a friend of mine nearly did the same thing 3 or 4 years ago but someone told her what was up and stopped. this same person is now a draw-leaving hard woman in the Red and would never dream of cleaning someone else's draws.

on another thought, maybe petzl took them down so they could have their pretty logo-ed draws on the routes for photo ops while their studs climbed the routes and then accidentally took them home with them? just a thought.

caribe wrote: I took the liberty of moving it to the climbing community because it brings up a very broad question: Why is anyone climbing that hard lacking the basic ethics that hold this community together??

Begging the question. Hard climbers are not necessarily more ethical. Just like Micheal Vick may not be more ethical than players of lesser talent.

JR wrote:

caribe wrote: I took the liberty of moving it to the climbing community because it brings up a very broad question: Why is anyone climbing that hard lacking the basic ethics that hold this community together??

Begging the question. Hard climbers are not necessarily more ethical. Just like Micheal Vick may not be more ethical than players of lesser talent.

Great point. I am hard at the moment (another embarrassing situation I must pull myself out of), and I don't feel any more ethical at all.

caribe wrote:Someone else's draws on a route should be sacrosanct. It is great to get on a route that has draws hanging. Especially one that is graded hard and difficult to clean. Someone should feel grateful that the draws were up there in the first place....

Oh, BTW, thanks for the draws on Hippocrite. It makes it much easier for me to run up there and give it a few good burns. If someone messes with them I'll make sure you get em back.

Right! The forum cracks me up. Seriously, every other time you guys have me literally LOL. I hope it wasn't the few nice Petzl quickies I left on Hippocrite that crossed my mind when Kenny's draws evaporated. I donated those to the line. They are sheltered from the weather hopefully that is where they stay.

bcombs wrote:

caribe wrote:Someone else's draws on a route should be sacrosanct. It is great to get on a route that has draws hanging. Especially one that is graded hard and difficult to clean. Someone should feel grateful that the draws were up there in the first place....

Oh, BTW, thanks for the draws on Hippocrite. It makes it much easier for me to run up there and give it a few good burns. If someone messes with them I'll make sure you get em back.

Wanna be gumbies can't get their ass up a 12. That leaves dumbass climber.

strong gym gumbies can get a 12a bolt to bolt or with a stick clip