Climbing Permit

Post by **Torrent Falls** » Fri Dec 08, 2006 9:32 am

Just a thought.

How about creating a climbing permit for the Red River Gorge area for X amount of $. This permit would generate funds for the Murray Property, RRGCC operating expenses, RRGCC events, enforcement, and donations to the Access fund. With this permit, you get a set of rules for climbing access and ethics. Weekend or annual passes can be created. After all climbing is not free.

Post by **Crankmas** » Fri Dec 08, 2006 10:00 am

I starting to like that crazy pissing chick more and more.

Post by **rjackson** » Fri Dec 08, 2006 10:28 am

Sounds like lawyers and accountants are going to become involved, and perhaps Charlton Heston will make a comeback.

Post by **dyno_heaven** » Fri Dec 08, 2006 10:38 am

i disagree with the permit for the entire gorge, that could start to get very expensive. climbing is not free, but it should be and any steps away from keeping it free are, in my opinion, unethical. by all means charge if the money is needed but if there is a way to get around paying to access the crags then i think that way should be taken first.

Post by **DuppyC** » Fri Dec 08, 2006 10:52 am

That permit idea is funny. Good luck. I think I bought my permit when I paid my federal taxes this year.

Just open your wallet and donate. Do a buck a week and it'll be $52 at year's end.

Post by **Toad** » Fri Dec 08, 2006 11:24 am

What right would a private entity have to charge for climbing on public land in order to finance itself?

Post by **Zspider** » Fri Dec 08, 2006 11:52 am

Toad wrote:

What right would a private entity have to charge for climbing on public land in order to finance itself?

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I haven't figured that out myself, but if I could, I wouldn't have to work any more.

ZSpiddy

Post by **absolutsugarsmurf** » Fri Dec 08, 2006 11:55 am

The forest service charges for overnight camping on Federal Land. It's a similar situation to charging for climbing. You're paying to camp on lands that your taxes are supposed to support. Knowing that the funds are supposed to be use for preservation makes me not worry so much about "double taxation". Though I somtimes question if this is actually the case.

As far as charging for climbing, I don't see how this could ever be enforced anywhere but private crags. Roadside, Madness Cave, PMRP, Muir Valley, Torrent, etc. If the owners of those locations worked together, it could be possible. Though liabiity would certainly be an issue.

I've personally always thought that climbing should be free, but maybe parking shouldn't be. It'd be easy to enforce and has inherantly less liability. The aforementioned crags, especially the pmrp and torrent, could have requisite parking passes, in effect doing the same thing as climbing passes, but hopefully with less risk.

Post by **ynp1** » Fri Dec 08, 2006 12:02 pm

thats fucking stupid,Torrent Falls, but thanks for the suggestion...

Post by **dyno_heaven** » Fri Dec 08, 2006 12:24 pm

parking maybe, just because it would be less expensive, but again i disagree with it but i think that would be better than charging for climbing. and mark, if we should charge for climbing, wouldnt that also apply to your crag? i dont see if its such a good idea why you didnt do that yourself