http://www.wkyt.com/Global/story.asp?S=4559609
http://www.wkyt.com/Global/story.asp?S=4488604&nav=4CAL
http://www.kentucky.com/mld/kentucky/13842157.htm
It doesn't say where one can get a listing of the parcels that will be sold.
DBNF New Supervisor and LAND SALE?
DBNF New Supervisor and LAND SALE?
The theory of evolution is just as stupid as the theories of gravity and electromagnetism.
Here is a listing of potential parcels.
http://www.fs.fed.us/land/staff/spd.html
Click back to the Home page and you can link to the ins and outs of this thing. I don't have a problem with some of it , for example -small, remote, detatched parcels that were ceded to the gov. But I have big problems with a lot of it and a lot of their information campaign. We do accrue tracts that are added to the National Forrest system, but do they compare to the lands they are trying to sell? I dug into this a few weeks ago and like most of this stuff there is a ponderous amount of bureaucracy(sp?).
I think I heard that in the gorge area there is something near the gladie headwaters?
http://www.fs.fed.us/land/staff/spd.html
Click back to the Home page and you can link to the ins and outs of this thing. I don't have a problem with some of it , for example -small, remote, detatched parcels that were ceded to the gov. But I have big problems with a lot of it and a lot of their information campaign. We do accrue tracts that are added to the National Forrest system, but do they compare to the lands they are trying to sell? I dug into this a few weeks ago and like most of this stuff there is a ponderous amount of bureaucracy(sp?).
I think I heard that in the gorge area there is something near the gladie headwaters?
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"The Bush Administration is considering selling about 45-hundred acres of the forest to make up for declining timber sales."
In other words- if we can't exploit it, maybe someone else can.
I honestly don't have a problem with timber sales, cutting timber and stuff like that, but that kind of attitude says that we see only money value in resources and that's not the whole picture.
In other words- if we can't exploit it, maybe someone else can.
I honestly don't have a problem with timber sales, cutting timber and stuff like that, but that kind of attitude says that we see only money value in resources and that's not the whole picture.
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ascentionist..I read the article to mean that coutnies are having declining tax revenues becasue so much public land is in their counties. and since logging has not been nearly as profitable as decades ago, the revenue base is shrinking, causing shortages in public services such as schools, medical, emergency services, road main, and public servants.
privatizing the land would allow for tax collection by said counties. tough decision either way. I guess we could tax gas another dollar a gallon.
privatizing the land would allow for tax collection by said counties. tough decision either way. I guess we could tax gas another dollar a gallon.
Positive vibes brah...positive vibes.
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Thanks for posting this info. I will be meeting the Region 8 Forester from the USFS Regional office in Atlanta Thursday afternoon and this is good info to know. It would be helpful for me if someone did the research on any specific tracts located in or near the Gorge and posted that info. Also, let me know if there are any specific climber related issues or questions you would like me to bring up to the Regional Forester.
"Be responsible for your actions and sensitive to the concerns of other visitors and land managers. ... Your reward is the opportunity to climb in one of the most beautiful areas in this part of the country." John H. Bronaugh
I know there are several map people on this site. Can any of you translate the tract designations from the above posted link? The Service has been promising to put up maps since the 10th of Feb. but the site says they are having a problem.
The tracts that would most likely be of 'gorge interest' would be the Mennifee Co. ones I think. They are designated like this for example C-1602, 1602a,etc.
The tracts that would most likely be of 'gorge interest' would be the Mennifee Co. ones I think. They are designated like this for example C-1602, 1602a,etc.
The DBNF is pretty fractured and you can imagine it would cause problems overseeing it, but there is a whole lot less of it than that big green swath you typicaly see on a state map.
These sell-offs are meant to replace revenue lost from a lack of timber sales. I think they had an odd way of figuring these payments in the first place. I don't know how practical it is to assume timber would have an annual and consistent contribution to a given area. I think they based it on a five year average.
Sell it and you'll get a temporary fix to an ongoing problem and you don't get it's potential back.
These sell-offs are meant to replace revenue lost from a lack of timber sales. I think they had an odd way of figuring these payments in the first place. I don't know how practical it is to assume timber would have an annual and consistent contribution to a given area. I think they based it on a five year average.
Sell it and you'll get a temporary fix to an ongoing problem and you don't get it's potential back.
Selling a capitol asset to pay operating expenses is a very bad idea.
That is akin to selling your house to pay off your credit card bill.
This isnt getting much traction with Congress. FS Undersecretary Mark Rey is already trying to put lipstick on this pig...theyve been getting pummeled by all kinds of interest groups from hunters and fisherman to local governments that fear making broad changes to land planning.
Comment period last until March 30th.
http://www.fs.fed.us/land/staff/spd.html
The public can comment on the proposal until March 30. Comments can be e-mailed to an address that will be posted at www.fs.fed.us or mailed to USDA Forest Service, SRS Comments, Lands 4S, 1400 Independence Ave., SW, Mailstop 1124, Washington, DC 20250-0003.
That is akin to selling your house to pay off your credit card bill.
This isnt getting much traction with Congress. FS Undersecretary Mark Rey is already trying to put lipstick on this pig...theyve been getting pummeled by all kinds of interest groups from hunters and fisherman to local governments that fear making broad changes to land planning.
Comment period last until March 30th.
http://www.fs.fed.us/land/staff/spd.html
The public can comment on the proposal until March 30. Comments can be e-mailed to an address that will be posted at www.fs.fed.us or mailed to USDA Forest Service, SRS Comments, Lands 4S, 1400 Independence Ave., SW, Mailstop 1124, Washington, DC 20250-0003.
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