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Since the other thread is locked, I would like to say something here. First and formemost, Rick is obviously free to set any guidelines for the land he owns, and I totally respect that. I will follow those guidelines when I climb at muir. This thread is not to challange that directly. Rather, it is because I do not believe that there is any measurable harm to the rock and hardware caused by taking intental falls from the anchors. I am not an engineer, I haven't bolted a bunch of lines, and I am not all that bright. But, I have, with my own eyes, seen sooooo many falls (intentional and otherwise) in the red that if a fall was even a little, tiny bit bad for the bolt, many would have failed long ago.

Please note that I'm neither disagreeing nor agreeing with what you said, Wes, but hasn't this topic been beaten into the ground already? I'm too lazy to dig up the last thread on this, but it surely wasn't long enough ago to warrant a standard cyclic revival as we are so want to do around here...

Victory whips are only cool when way run out over some shoddy brass on a slab.

Viva NC!!!

I just get more and more impressed with how the Webers continue to create a safe and fun climbing environment. If you don't like climbing in a place that has incredible maps, trails, routes, and hardworking people actively maintaining a high standard of climbing, there are a ton of other places you can go.

While at muir valley I will not take victory whips. I don't know much about bolts, but I trust them to hold me on a fall, so why wouldn't they for a victory whipper. I took my longest one this past weakend, 40 - 45 feet. What a ride.

i could care less about the hardware or the rock. i care only that the weber's don't want me to take those falls, have spent thousands of their own dollars to set up an incredible place to climb, and have humbly and graciously opened up the land for all climbers to enjoy. debate about the bolts if you will but there's no question about the integrity of the weber's intents and desires.

As long as they don't ban falling altogether, I'm cool with that.

What's the difference between a victory whip and maybe just "falling" from the anchors?

I just don't understand why people don't take victory whippers on their trad gear...


...maybe for the same reason that it isn't good for the bolts????


Good Rule Rick!