Don't toprope or lower from anchors!!!

Post by **andy_lemon** » Sun Jan 23, 2005 9:21 am

Well, I know a lot of you lazy bastards are set in your ways of doing things... your way... because you know best. And why the hell should you listen to some 22 year old that is telling you lowering off of anchors is unethical. Fine, don't listen to me... then listen to the people who BUILD the hardware your toproping and lowering off of. Quote from the makers of Fixe:

Fixe Hardware wrote:The use of top anchors for top roping should be questioned. At many sport climbing areas the top anchors are used repeatedly for toproping. Visible wear can be seen and climbers still top rope directly from the top anchors. This is a Lazy Practice that should be stopped! It takes only moments for the leader to set up the top rope using quickdraws. This saves the anchors, saves time and money and it could even save someone's life! As the last climber, take the time to rappel verses being lowered down, rappelling will help save the anchors. Please help by setting an example.

Post by **haas** » Sun Jan 23, 2005 4:00 pm

that's what I'm talkin' 'bout

Post by **Toad** » Sun Jan 23, 2005 8:33 pm

How about this...

If you are willing to replace worn hardware with high quality materials, then feel free to lower off the anchors. Hell, lower off with a diamond encrusted steel cable.

If you are unwilling to share in the cost of equipping routes, then you probably shouldn't be mooching off the investment of the person that put the anchors there in the first place. So, rap off and go find a place to contribute to a bolting fund then convince yourself that you don't have to give because you are a thoughtful climber and you ALWAYS rap off the anchors - no matter how steep the route.

Post by **pigsteak** » Mon Jan 24, 2005 1:15 am

well said toad....yo lemon, better not find you TR'ing at SoIll

Post by **Saxman** » Mon Jan 24, 2005 3:00 pm

You all are too damn lazy. Save the anchors and walk off or downclimb all your routes.

Post by **Meadows** » Mon Jan 24, 2005 3:05 pm

This argument is so last week.

Toad wrote:
If you are unwilling to share in the cost of equipping routes, then you probably shouldn't be mooching off the investment of the person that put the anchors there in the first place.

I wonder how many of those people lower off.

Toad wrote:
So, rap off and go find a place to contribute to a bolting fund then convince yourself that you don't have to give because you are a thoughtful climber and you ALWAYS rap off the anchors - no matter how steep the route.

Great idea, but I'm curious if you rap off those steep routes or even get on them? Still, it's a very good idea to contribute.

Post by **J-Rock** » Mon Jan 24, 2005 3:14 pm

Hey Meadows, thank you for helping to provide some hangers last year. That was really cool and a great birthday present. Next time you should show up and do the FA. 8)

Post by **Meadows** » Mon Jan 24, 2005 3:24 pm

I'll donate more so maybe there is another opportunity and I don't misunderstand the communication.

Post by **rhunt** » Mon Jan 24, 2005 5:36 pm

that's nice, I guess the guys at FIXE don't climb steep routes at the Red very often. I can't wait to watch all the rap cleaning off these routes next spring...that'll be enternaining

Post by **meetVA** » Mon Jan 24, 2005 7:24 pm

Okay, Twinkie I see as being a nightmare. Would you consider The Return of Chris Snider a nightmare too?

I guess I'm thinking that as long as you have someone on the other end of the rappel, it could work similarlly to lowering for cleaning. Granted, I don't have a lot of practice with it but in my mind it could work.