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Meadows wrote:

Normally, I don't slight people on grammar and proper use of words either, but you asked for it.

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Good catch, Meadows! I didn't know that one. I thought somebody would catch the preposition at the end of a sentence, though. Gotta joke for that one:

On a plane:

southern belle: Where y'all from?
New York woman: I come from where people know not to end their sentences with a preposition.
southern belle: I see. In that case, where y'all from, bitch?

ZSpider

I just scanned this thread (I hate this shit). First of all, it is NEVER a question: stay the fuck off red tagged routes. Period.

Also, as to "used to be's", there are different 'rules' for trad and sport. The only one I know if that has changed is that now pink points count as red points (so stupid). As to booty vs. project gear, one applies to trad, the other to sport. Period again.

Normally I stay out of discussions like this, but, for what it's worth, here's my take on it. Since there are so many great, established climbs available, why would one need to jump on a tagged route?

Okay, I'm done!

yo sandy, you were on a redtagged route two weeks ago..."curbside no traction" ring a bell?
I think your declaration needs to be revamped

(btw, it went down last saturday. karen flashed it on TR, and then I creamed my drawers leading it.)

darlin, I had an invite from the generous FA. And even though that saint of a man said I could get back on it and try to send anytime, I would have only done so in his presence.

Yay for Karen, and you! GOOD WORK!! As much as I hate beta, I'm gonna need it for the top. DAMN. Again, good work!

mr. pig-bolting cracks is/was frowned upon for aesthetic (yes, 'style') reasons. the compressor route in patagonia being the most extreme example. then, where to draw the line? reasonably, it seems, with the question: how to climb the pitch with a 'leave no trace' intent? this does not command 'no traces' but offers a guideline to be approached with integrity.

while i'll withhold my opinion of red tagging and route development, at its heart (as Alan Watts outlines, it's all about the FA, and if someone climbs
a new route but doesn't claim the FA(doesn't mention it publically-cause anybody can go around saying i saw some kid climb this or that or my retarded dog dug his way up the inside ass of that route three years ago), does the money/time/fame arguments loose credibility?

sometimes i wish i knew you people.

Zspider, you are a jackass. Local may not be the greatest speller but he is a damn sight better of a person then you'll ever be. Perhaps you need to go back to school and learn some manners. Of course, we could always just drop you off in Nada without a car and let those down-trodden locals you so deplore teach you. Of course they'd probably take you into their homes, feed you dinner and give you a ride. Despite the fact that you are a jackass, people up there take care of others.

Spragwa wrote:

Of course, we could always just drop you off in Nada without a car and let those down-trodden locals you so deplore teach you.

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I'm sorry that you got the impression that I deplore the Nadonians. I assure you that's not the case. More than anything it's simply a difference in taste concerning landscaping and yard ornaments.

ZSpider

dipsi wrote:

Normally I stay out of discussions like this, but, for what it's worth, here's my take on it. Since there are so many great, established climbs available, why would one need to jump on a tagged route?

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I believe the classic answer is, "Because it's there." Edmund Hilary?

Zspider

Sandy wrote about here experience on a red-tagged line:

darlin, I had an invite from the generous FA.

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Huh? I thought the red tag was waiting for a first ascent. Or was it just the hopeful first ascender? In that case, the rules get more interesting. Nobody is allowed on the route except the hopeful and whoever he allows on it.

ZSpider