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Posted: Wed Dec 12, 2007 1:26 pm
by discojett
I guess that proves that oil is, by far, the most important fuel in today's economy. In the short run, there is absolutely nothing we can do that will significantly decrease our dependence on imported oil. In the long run we must eliminate that dependence.
Exactly. No one wants to think of "non-renewable resource" in terms of their lifetime, because it won't affect them directly. Especially (most) oil companies. The $ is rolling in, the folks calling the shots have a lot of pull, and the more we use the resource, the more they make. It will take something very serious before we see any shift. We're paying $3/gal for gas. What will it take?

To be fair, a few companies are attempting to be visionaries and search for alternatives. Shell Oil is one of the biggies at least putting forth an effort. Cost-effective is the key. Like oil shale. It's not cost-effective to extract yet, but the potential is huge.
More technology...investments...visionary thinkers and leaders (ha).

After 5 years on the front line of the public lands/fossil fuels battle out west, I learned that most of these corporations could care less what any of us think. They have a bottom line, and it trumps everything.

Posted: Wed Dec 12, 2007 2:13 pm
by Crankmas
I paid $3.85 for a gallon of milk last night- $2.72/gal for gas to me does not seem unreasonable- be kind to one another and give thanks to God for what you have and don't stress over things you don't need or have no influence over

Posted: Wed Dec 12, 2007 2:25 pm
by pigsteak
better yet..many folks walk into a convenience store and buy a 20 oz. bottle of water for $1.30..go figure that one out per gallon. it must be a conspiracy by the bottling companies...did W hire any bottling companies in iraq? surely the libs on here can find a connection to the rich friends of W and artesian spring water?

Posted: Wed Dec 12, 2007 2:41 pm
by Shamis
The funniest part about running out of oil is that we'll also run out of plastic.

Posted: Wed Dec 12, 2007 2:50 pm
by pigsteak
about ten years ago I had an uncle who loved to go into the grocery store and play with ther baggers. this was when the big kick was to switch us from paper to plastic.

the bagger would say "paper or plastic", and knowing that he was supposed to say "plastic", he would go into a lecture on the bagger about how trees were a renewable resource, and that plastic bags, made from oil of course, were not. so he would continue to tell them that the tree huggers had it wrong, and to be a good environamentalist, they MUST use paper bags and should discourage all customers from using teh evil plastic bag.

I still haven't figured out how to pick up the squishy dog poop with a paper bag and not have it stain my fingers...but to save a tree, stanky fingers aren't that bad.

Posted: Wed Dec 12, 2007 3:37 pm
by Crankmas
have you had a poll to confirm your thoughts that stanky fingers aren't that bad?

Posted: Wed Dec 12, 2007 6:49 pm
by Alan Evil
It's not that hard to brush dog poo into a paper bag without getting it on your fingers.

You are aware that there's an area in the middle of the Pacific ocean about the size of Texas that is completely made of floating garbage, in large part plastic bags?

Plastic bags are bad. They never go away. I guess the only advantage to them is they'll speed up our use of oil so we'll run out sooner and be forced to do something about it.

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Posted: Thu Dec 13, 2007 12:57 pm
by caribe
hemp bags!

Posted: Thu Dec 13, 2007 1:57 pm
by Shamis
Alan Evil wrote:You are aware that there's an area in the middle of the Pacific ocean about the size of Texas that is completely made of floating garbage, in large part plastic bags?
Good to know. So when we run out of oil, I'll get a sailboat, and go lay claim to the island of plastic, where I will live as king, and sell off chunks of my island to the people who are trying to sell soup in stone cans.

Posted: Thu Dec 13, 2007 11:48 pm
by Alan Evil
You will not live that long, but you should start training your children now. If you don't have children of your own, begin training your neighbors' children.

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