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Anybody ready to go nuclear? I mean modern pebble bed reactors, not bombs. For that's the only way we can free ourselves from the struggle with Radical Islam. Honestly, even that may not be enough. But, the lifestyle of the modern globe trotting climber requires massive amounts of energy after all. We drive the 4x4 to the Gorge every weekend, jet to Yosemite, Alaska, Argentina, Peru, even Thailand or South Africa on vacation. Then we come home and wave our "no blood for oil" banners and pretend that the soldiers aren't dieing for us. But that's insanity, because they are dieing for our (that means your) energy supply.

Conservation isn't enough. Biofuels are a cruel joke. If we want to get off the oil tit we've got two choices, coal or nuclear. Which one is it going to be?

Yep, trick question. We couldn't possibly mine enough coal to keep us going.

energy is not necessarily the only problem, nuclear energy could supply us with more than enough energy, the problem is transportation energy, we cant reasonably have cars running on nuclear energy. Biofuel is not an answer but it could act as a means by which we make what oil that is left last longer, as opposed to consuming as much and as fast as we can. OUr struggle to maintain our way of life is what is truly a joke, because maintaining would not be as dificult as it seems, but our ever energy increasing lifestyles are not easy to continue, and fight we will, under any disguise we can think of rather than just calling it fight for oil.

Our struggle to maintain our way of life is most definitely not a joke. Almost nobody every voluntarily chooses a lower standard of living than they grew up enjoying. That doesn't mean we should be profligate consumers like Al Gore and John Edwards, with their huge or even gargantuan homes and fleets of SUVs. I mean we could tone it down just a bit. I'd love it if my 30 mpg car got 50. Or better yet, if it was battery or H2 powered. But the electricity to charge the battery, or free the H2 from H2O, has to come from somewhere. Are we going to continue to burn oil and coal as our main sources of energy? Or are we going to actually move out of the technological stone age and develop a clean modern source of power? A source that we control through publicly owned utilities. And yes, at some point in the future, an automobile running on H2 will most certainly be nuclear powered, because that's where the energy to make the H2 will come from.

Otherwise, Krampus, word dude.

L K Day wrote:We don't have to fight the war on terror. We could simply pack our shit and go home. Let the radical Islamic nuts take over the middle east one country at a time.

For every terrorist we've killed, we've probably created several new ones. I don't see how this is productive.

Shamis wrote:

L K Day wrote:We don't have to fight the war on terror. We could simply pack our shit and go home. Let the radical Islamic nuts take over the middle east one country at a time.

For every terrorist we've killed, we've probably created several new ones. I don't see how this is productive.

Convert maybe, not create, but as long as we keep killing them the conversion rate is clearly not sustainable.

L K Day wrote: Or are we going to actually move out of the technological stone age and develop a clean modern source of power?

Oh sure, leave it to the libbies to save the day, well we are trying, only its hard to find stuff that is not radioactive that contains the same specific energy of oil.

Yeah, I know what you mean, it was the "radioactive" part that always gave us hippies the willies about nuclear power. But, what we should have learned by now is that there is no "safe" form of energy. So far we have lost several thousand American lives because of our dependence on oil. Thousands more, I'd guess, in the mining of coal. And don't even talk to me about the risk of trying to put up windmills in Kennedy's front yard. How many have died in nuclear accidents? Other than Chernobyl I don't think there have been any. The fucking Russians didn't even put their reactor inside a containment vessel. I guess that's because the technology was infallible in the Worker's Paradise.

http://peakenergy.blogspot.com/2007/11/ ... q-war.html

I guess that proves that oil is, by far, the most important fuel in today's economy. In the short run, there is absolutely nothing we can do that will significantly decrease our dependence on imported oil. In the long run we must eliminate that dependence.

Unless you're willing to commit to solar, wind, and, most importantly, nuclear power, shut your yap about Iraq, and the next Iraq, and the next one, and the next.....

nice charlie. And though our fundamental views are obviously different, I actually agree with you on this one Day. If we were to put money into things other than war, the scientist would be more likely to find a solution because they would be able to feed their families while working on the projects. Christ, for a few hundred million we could build a station that launches nuclear waste to mars. Then we would find out real fast if there was life up there, or who knows, it may even cause the mutation to start it. Its a shame that the most intelligent people do not fun for office.