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Posted: Thu May 10, 2007 6:00 pm
by Pru
chriss wrote:Resorting to name calling ( hmmm what type of assumptions should I make about you.) But I guess that what people do when they don't have a valid point to make, or their rash assumptions where imcorrect.
You started with your sideways comment about me being ignorant. My point, the one you completely ignored, is valid. Jackass.
chriss wrote:If you feel so strongly you shouldn't be using chalk, sticky rubber (leaves black on the rock), sport climbing or anchors of any kind. Are you sure you don't like climbing in the gym more than outside????
Again, you completely ignored the point. Who is the ignorant one in this conversation? Jackass
chriss wrote:Anyhow, the reason I usually don't remove tick marks, if I don't send I want it there for when I come back, the route has fixed draws and the steepness makes it a hassle to get back in, I forget. But feel free to remove them, I know I do when I get on routes (maybe I should whine about it on the internet).
Another selfish climber.
chriss wrote:Really though, if this is an impact you can't handle, don't use chalk. It's that simple.
It's not JR's use of chalk that is the problem. Jackass.

Posted: Thu May 10, 2007 6:10 pm
by chriss
Pru wrote:
chriss wrote:Resorting to name calling ( hmmm what type of assumptions should I make about you.) But I guess that what people do when they don't have a valid point to make, or their rash assumptions where imcorrect.
You started with your sideways comment about me being ignorant. My point, the one you completely ignored, is valid. Jackass.
Actually I asked if you were ignorant. But you probally can't understand the difference.
Pru wrote:
chriss wrote:If you feel so strongly you shouldn't be using chalk, sticky rubber (leaves black on the rock), sport climbing or anchors of any kind. Are you sure you don't like climbing in the gym more than outside????
Again, you completely ignored the point. Who is the ignorant one in this conversation? Jackass
Actually I validated the fact that your point is no more valid than not using chalk, sticky rubber ,....
Pru wrote:
chriss wrote:Anyhow, the reason I usually don't remove tick marks, if I don't send I want it there for when I come back, the route has fixed draws and the steepness makes it a hassle to get back in, I forget. But feel free to remove them, I know I do when I get on routes (maybe I should whine about it on the internet).


Another selfish climber.
Another ignorant statemenet. All climbers are selfish. We use chalk don't we, ohh, you must be the one I saw carrying the power washer to the cliff to clean up after theself.
Pru wrote:
chriss wrote:Really though, if this is an impact you can't handle, don't use chalk. It's that simple.
It's not JR's use of chalk that is the problem. Jackass.

Actually it is, your use of chalk as well. If the impact is to much in your eyes, anti up, hopefully no one sees you climbing at the red using chalk.


This is kind of fun, do you have anything you would personally like to add, or is name calling all you got.

Posted: Thu May 10, 2007 6:24 pm
by Pru
the point, once again, is to leave as little impact as possible. Is that clear for you now? Tick away all you want, because using your mind is obviously out of the question for you, but clean up after yourself. SIMPLE.

Posted: Thu May 10, 2007 6:28 pm
by charlie
Use of chalk is not use of tick marks and neither is shoe rubber. Apples are not oranges and neither of those relate to the underlying thread of common courtesy.

WTF is wrong w/ me? This is the stupidest thread I've seen in some time, and that's saying something. It's like watching someone use my ex-wife's logic to argue with someone employing the debate skills of my 4 yr old nephew

What a train wreck.

Posted: Thu May 10, 2007 6:29 pm
by Pru
which one am I? :?

Posted: Thu May 10, 2007 6:32 pm
by charlie
The voyeur?

Posted: Thu May 10, 2007 6:35 pm
by Pru
you know me too well

Posted: Thu May 10, 2007 6:37 pm
by chriss
Pru wrote:the point, once again, is to leave as little impact as possible.
Sure, but do tick marks create a larger impact than using chalk? I don't think so.

Posted: Thu May 10, 2007 6:42 pm
by chriss
charlie wrote:Use of chalk is not use of tick marks and neither is shoe rubber. Apples are not oranges
Sure, but tickmarks are chalk and apples are apples but not oranges.

Posted: Thu May 10, 2007 6:47 pm
by Meadows
Whether it's impact or not, some arguments are not worth losing harmony between people. Chriss is very much a respectful climber, whether he brushes his marks off or not (it doesn't matter to me that people don't, although I laugh when big jugs are ticked). If you really feel impassioned about brushing, take your gospel to the cliff and encourage people to see the value in it. Rancorous, name-calling, pig-headed approaches are better left to the bible thumping christian evangelists on college campuses.

You'll get a more positive response. It's that simple.