First 5.14 trad in the Red

[One-Fall]

It is becoming very apparent why Taylor, Gearing and Hume do not participate in these forums.

Those who can, do.
Those who can't, log-in.

[pigsteak]

only here lee...on 8a.nu apparently you get to do both....

[Spikeddem]

Lol, I don't get why people are getting so defensive about the discussion on terms.

[TradMike]

So if I get this right, a climb on pre-placed trad gear would be a sport ascent and a route bolted on lead would be a trad ascent? Wouldn't a trad bolt route only be a trad route for the first person since every subsequent ascent would be on the pre-placed bolts? I wonder how many sport routes in the gorge are really trad routes? Someone needs to tell wiki they have it all wrong and I think HAL 9000 is going to explode.

[One-Fall]

http://www.dpmclimbing.com/articles/vie ... trad-route

[RRO]

Those who can, do.
Those who can't, log-in.

that needed stated again....

[JR]

only here lee...on 8a.nu apparently you get to do both....

This needed to be stated again.....

[caribe]

Those who can't, log-in.

Not sure I follow the train of thought here. Are we really trying to discourage discourse? If so, why bother have the forum? Pot-stirring in general has given birth to many great conversations.

[Jeff]

Because its a celebration of Andrews send...????

Edit- Because this *should* be a celebration of Andrews send.

[LK Day]

So if I get this right, a climb on pre-placed trad gear would be a sport ascent and a route bolted on lead would be a trad ascent?

Absolutely correct! Now who's going to throw in with Andrew? I bet there are a some more good lines out there just waiting.