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that was probably the best way to put, while we appreciateed your earlier attempt at tact, your final sumation could have ended this debate much sooner.
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clifton, my pigsteak corollaries damn most climbers to not being REAL climbers..how do you live with that one? does it suck to pretend to be a climber when deep down inside you know it is a big fail?

and clifton, both W and Obama say they are christians...so no matter your political persuasion, you got a theist calling the shots.

pigsteak wrote:clifton, my pigsteak corollaries damn most climbers to not being REAL climbers..how do you live with that one? does it suck to pretend to be a climber when deep down inside you know it is a big fail?

you're not telling me anything I don't know already... it's hard to keep trying and still not be a 'real' climber, looks like whatahutch is in this boat too. it sucks to suck, but that's the way it is. though i'm wondering, if i have faith that i'm a real climber, will that make me one?

pigsteak wrote:and clifton, both W and Obama say they are christians...so no matter your political persuasion, you got a theist calling the shots.

my political persuasion doesn't favor either of these fellas...

if Jesus read this thread he would say "Oh my me"

cliftongifford wrote: I've probably read the bible more than you whatahutch, as I was once a devout christian raised in a christian family with my father as a preacher when i was young.

I'm sorry, I made an assumption.

whatahutch wrote: ... I made an assumption.

That's what HE said

cliftongifford wrote:

pigsteak wrote:clifton, my pigsteak corollaries damn most climbers to not being REAL climbers..how do you live with that one? does it suck to pretend to be a climber when deep down inside you know it is a big fail?

you're not telling me anything I don't know already... it's hard to keep trying and still not be a 'real' climber, looks like whatahutch is in this boat too. it sucks to suck, but that's the way it is. though i'm wondering, if i have faith that i'm a real climber, will that make me one?

Christians could teach you somethng here "Faith wihtout works is dead"...duh. having faith in your rock climbing abilities will work fine, but until you put in the hard work in the gym, you'll still be a wannabe..gotta follow the talk with actions. hmmmm, maybe you climbers and religious folks are cut from the same cloth.

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