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I went to school with most of those kids in NADA and their good people. If your going to bitch about our community stay in fucking ohio were dumbasses like you belong......all i'm saying by that post is to be more respectful and understanding to the ethics of climbing.....for all of us.

School - their - they're - make your own joke

When ethical pledges abound
How tortured? when no one’s around.
Tis only a bolt
And fairly remote
We wink and alight from the ground.

Oh! the treasure I’ve stored in the Gorge!
The cobbler! the clothier! the forge!
Which made the hangers of Sport
For my overhung court
Which I hold in the Red River Gorge!

But harken ye back from this fad!
To the ethos of handshakes and Trad!
With not a buck in it
We'd no need to spin it
With MONEY between good and bad!

Oh surely it’s never been told
All Oldschoolers were noble AND bold!
So take heed that you can
From a clip or a jam
Go within to without of the fold.



TADA!!!
I'm bored. someone buy one of my guidebooks.

I know of at least two people who have infringed upon someone's red-tagged routes. Said persons know better, have been confronted, and do not care about what such violations mean to the community, the person who put them up, or the route itself. Wow, you sent a 13!!! Good job. No wait, how do you know it was a 13 if it is still a project? Oh, fuck someone's project? Not so cool. Yes, ambiguous statement...a lot of people will understand. Knowingly poaching someone's project is a slap in the face to the person who bolted it, to all those who respect the red tags, and the word "ethics" in general.

Hey Saxman, get a fucking degree in English and edit someone else's comment. At least what I said was intelligent...Congratulations you can work for the Clay City Times.

Pete wrote:

can we stay on the ethics topic please? if you want to start bashing locals and making fun of eastern kentucky, i suggest that you do it elsewhere, it isn't going to get much play here as many of us do (or have in the past) live and/or work in the region. i'm sure there are some neighborhoods in your community that aren't perfectly manicured, so go poke fun at those.

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Hard to make much sense of this. When you ask me to stay on topic, are you suggesting the environment doesn't involve ethics? And are you saying that because locals frequent this site, there shouldn't be criticism of them? And Bloomington has plenty of seedy areas, but we are talking about the Gorge, so wouldn't talking about Bloomington be straying even farther from the topic you ask me to stay on?

ZSpider

My interpretation was that Pete was pointing out that how the residents of Nada live has nothing to do with the ethics of climbing in general and red-tagged routes in particular. If you're interested in following through with Pete's suggestion and talking about Bloomington's seedy areas, the New Topic button is only a click away.

local wrote:I went to school with most of those kids in NADA and their good people. If your going to bitch about our community stay in fucking ohio were dumbasses like you belong......all i'm saying by that post is to be more respectful and understanding to the ethics of climbing.....for all of us.

NADA doesn't hold a candle to the towns I drive through in the coal industry.

One of the things I have admired most about rock climbing is that climbers themselves come together and improve their environment for others, let this not be lost. This is not the fault of gym rats, locals, visitors but the responsibility of individuals.

You are probably correct that the residents of Nada have nothing to do with climbing, but I'll bow out on that. I don't know what they do. And as far as any contrived "rules" concerning red-tagged routes, I'm not too concerned about that either. I've seen those type of rules come and go. It used to be that gear left on a route was fair game to the next person that came along. It used to be that you didn't bolt routes that could be protected with trad gear. And it used to be that routes were fair game to whoever could do them.

Concerning the impact of climbers on the Gorge environment, they are not the only people who impact the environment, and it is a small step to include the others.

ZSpider

Maybe you should start a "used to be" thread.