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Posted: Mon Jan 15, 2007 5:50 pm
by Alan Evil
alien2 wrote:The Democrats new promise "A New Direction For
America"

The stock market is at a new all-time high and
America's 401K's are back.
A new direction from there means, what?
The stock market is always going to be hitting "all-time" highs. Just like the value of the dollar is continually hitting all-time lows. Where are our pensions? Job security?
Unemployment is at 25 year lows.
A new direction from there means, what?[/quote

The unemployment numbers have been gamed for the entire Shrub "Presidency." If you're unemployed for 6 months you're removed from the roles. If you're re-employed at $20G/yr after making $100G/yr you're "employed" despite the change in income. Under the Republican Oligarchy the mean American income has dropped, the number of working poor has increased, and the nation's wealth has been further consolidated in the hands of a fraction of a percent of the population.
Oil prices are plummeting.
A new direction from there means, what?
As if Bush's actions (other than global warming giving us a mild winter) have had anything to do with the price of oil.
Taxes are at 20 year lows.
A new direction from there means, what?
Taxes for whom? Most of us have seen little or no change. Once again this change is experienced most by the richest of us. Also, most of our gov't expenses have been shifted to fees which are a heavier burden on the poor than on the wealthy.
Federal tax revenues are at all-time highs.
A new direction from there means, what?
And our debt? Why is it the largest in history?
The Federal deficit is down almost 50%, just as
predicted over last year.
A new direction from there means, what?
Again, smoke and mirrors and playing with the numbers. We're in a very deep hole and if left up to the wildly spending fatcat Republicans we'd dig that hole deeper by the minute, that is if we could've actually gotten the lazy bastards to do any work...
Home valuations are up 200% over the past 3.5 years.
A new direction from there means, what?
How old is this? The housing bubble has burst in most places and prices are plummetting. Will the Republicans take credit for that?
Inflation is in check, hovering at 20 year lows.
A new direction from there means, what?
Inflation is sort of in check if you don't count the artificial suppression created by our massive Federal and personal debt loads.
Not a single terrorist attack on US soil since
9/11/01.
A new direction from there means, what?
There wasn't a single terrorist attack by foreigners on US soil in the entire history of the United States except for under a Republican administration. I guess all those attacks against the Green Zone don't count, huh?

Osama bin Laden is living under a rock in a dark
cave, having not surfaced
in years, if he's alive at all, while 95% of Al
Qaeda's top dogs are either
dead or in custody, cooperating with US Intel.
A new direction from there means, what?
95%, really? How did you arrive at that number? Didn't they just kill his number two? Or was that number three? Also, if we'd had an intelligent Commander in Chief we would've stayed in Afghanistan where he was instead of pulling out to go fight a stupid war in a country that was not a viable threat to anyone.
Several major terrorist attacks already thwarted by
US and British Intel,
including the recent planned attack involving 10
Jumbo Jets being exploded
in mid-air over major US cities in order to
celebrate the anniversary of the
9/11/01 attacks.
A new direction from there means, what?
You're right. Obviously Democrats would stop fighting terror. They hate America, right?
Just as President Bush foretold us on a number of
occasions, Iraq was to be
made "ground zero" for the war on terrorism -- and
just as President Bush
said they would, terrorist cells from all over the
region are arriving from
the shadows of their hiding places and flooding into
Iraq in order to get
their faces blown off by US Marines rather than
boarding planes and heading
to the United States to wage war on us here.
A new direction from there means, what?
There's so much stupid about this paragraph I don't know where to start. We've created the greatest terrorist training ground in world history in Iraq. If we'd fought them where they were instead of started a war somewhere else where they can come and go, test techniques, learn our defenses that would've made sense. Destroying an entire country without good reason is not an excuse to make up some bullshit about them following us home like some kind of diseased puppies. The ball is law enforcement and detective work, not major wars in the wrong places. We've taken our eye off the ball.
Now let me see, do I have this right? I can expect:

The economy to go South

Illegals to go North

Taxes to go Up

Employment to go Down

Terrorism to come In

Tax breaks to go Out

Social Security to go Away

Health Care to go the same way gas prices have gone

But what the heck!
The fact is that for most Americans the economy went south under Republicans, immigration has remained the same (does the term "lip service" mean anything to you?), taxes have increased for the poor, quality of employment has decreased, the worst terrorist attack on American soil occurred under the Republican's watch, the tax breaks were almost exclusively for the wealthiest who owe more to this country than anyone else but now have less of the burden than the poor who have gained the least, Republicans have been trying to kill Social Security since its inception so I don't know what the fuck that line's doing in your list, and health care has skyrocketed under the Republicans so you like that? So what the fuck are you talking about?

Posted: Mon Jan 15, 2007 6:29 pm
by gulliver
alien2 wrote:....some random e-mail.....
But what the heck!
The Democrats now promise A New Direction For America.
The stock market is at a new all-time high, thanks to Bill Clinton and America's 401K's are back.

A new direction from there means that MORE Americans will benefit from the legacy of Bill Clinton with the new Democratic Congress.

Unemployment is at 25 year lows.
A new direction from there means means that MORE Americans will be employed as a result of the new Democratic Congress.

Taxes are at 20 year lows.
A new direction from there means that with the end of the war in Iraq, Americans will save over 1 BILLION DOLLARS A DAY in unnecessary military expense.

Federal tax revenues are at a high. A new direction from there means but the New Congress will insure that taxes ARE FAIR – that the rich will pay their fair share..

The Federal deficit is over a trillion dollars, just as predicted over last year.
A new direction from there means that the PAY AS YOU GO doctrine will be re-established in the New Congress.

Home valuations are up 200% over the past 3.5 years.
A new direction from there means that home process will stabilize so that everyone in America can realize the dream of home ownership.

Inflation is in check, hovering at 20 year lows.
A new direction from there means that re-establishment of fiscal responsibility from the reckless Republican Congress will make your money more valuable.

Not a single terrorist attack on US soil since 9/11/01.
A new direction from there means that we will REALLY focus on Domestic Security for a change, by getting out of Iraq.

Osama bin Laden is living under a rock in a dark cave, having not
surfaced in years, if he's alive at all, while 95% of Al Queda's top
dogs are either dead or in custody, cooperating with US Intel.
A new direction from there means that Osama Bin Laden can no longer be protected by Bush and the Saudis and that the New Congress will use effective police techniques to arrest Bin laden and bring him to fair trial.

Several major terrorist attacks already thwarted by US and British
Intel, including the recent planned attack involving 10 Jumbo Jets
being exploded in mid-air over major US cities in order to celebrate
the anniversary of the 9/11/01 attacks.
A new direction from there means that a competent Congress will investigate all reports of potential criminal activity and ACTUALLY DO SOMETHING ABOUT IT.

Just as President Bush foretold us on a number of occasions, Iraq was
to be made "ground zero" for the war on terrorism -- and just as
President Bush said they would, terrorist cells from all over the
region are arriving from the shadows of their hiding places and
flooding into Iraq in order to get their faces blown off by US Marines
rather than boarding planes and heading to the United States to wage
war on us here.
A new direction from there means that the TRUTH about Halliburton’s and other oil industry activities in Iraq will surface. The American people will become educated enough to get the mercenaries, and oil industry out of Iraq and therefore give the “terroristsâ€

Posted: Mon Jan 15, 2007 7:09 pm
by gunslnga
gulliver wrote:
alien2 wrote:....some random e-mail.....
But what the heck!
The Democrats now promise A New Direction For America.
The stock market is at a new all-time high, thanks to Bill Clinton and America's 401K's are back.

Gunslnga states....
Are you kidding me, Bill Clinton was a tool.....


A new direction from there means that MORE Americans will benefit from the legacy of Bill Clinton with the new Democratic Congress.

Gunslnga quips....
We are benefitting from Clintons legacy, its called "Getting punched in the face while you wer'nt looking) Bill was well known for his "Wag the Dog" techniques, while banging Monica.

Unemployment is at 25 year lows.
A new direction from there means means that MORE Americans will be employed as a result of the new Democratic Congress.

Gunslnga Blasts.....
What Lib rag made you believe this???? Come on who's acceptance speech you take this from???

Taxes are at 20 year lows.
A new direction from there means that with the end of the war in Iraq, Americans will save over 1 BILLION DOLLARS A DAY in unnecessary military expense.

Gunslnga states....
When you have troops in harms way, there are no unecessary expenses....


The Federal deficit is over a trillion dollars, just as predicted over last year.
A new direction from there means that the PAY AS YOU GO doctrine will be re-established in the New Congress.

Gunslnga states....
Until you all get your hands on it, we shall see, The left has never been caught in corruption.... :wink:

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Most of the rest, or any I deleted, I don't have any reasonable issues with, I could nit pick, but as with everyone, mine is opinion based on loose facts and yeah, of course, spin.......

Posted: Mon Jan 15, 2007 8:41 pm
by Alan Evil
Gunslnga states....
When you have troops in harms way, there are no unecessary expenses....
They never should've been put there in the first place. Their lives are being ruined, wasted, lost, destroyed, maimed, etc. for

a) the misplaced pride of a stupid little man.
b) oil.
c) massive war profits for a few Republican friendly contractors.
d) a pack of lies put forth by a slimey piece of shit and his little side-kick, the President.
e) the chance for a fratboy to prove that size doesn't matter.
f) to distract us from the destruction of our government, country, and flag.
g) all of the above.

Saying they're there so we should spend this money is bullshit. They should not be there and we should not be spending the money. Period. This is how they convince otherwise reasonable people to support this idiocy. Get them the fuck out of there and let the chips fall where they may.

Posted: Mon Jan 15, 2007 8:56 pm
by gulliver
Like I stated gunny, everything you copied was a paste job from a liberal blog.
gulliver wrote:all the above....some lame copy and paste from a liberal blog....





Just a response to alien's paste job. I was fishing to see if he had a view of his own.

Posted: Mon Jan 15, 2007 9:24 pm
by pigsteak
I told you evil would have a comeback :twisted:

you have been warned. when this boy goes off his medication, all hell breaks loose.

Posted: Tue Jan 16, 2007 1:26 am
by alien2
“The larger point is that the world is entering into an enormously dangerous new era. The end of the Cold War has freed up rogue nations from the need to ally with a major power. That newfound freedom, combined with technological advance and the consequent proliferation of weapons of mass destruction, adds up to a potential nightmare for the world. If we don't take out Iraq now, the nightmare will quickly engulf us.

It is clear that an invasion of Iraq is the last best hope for securing a significant delay in the worldwide proliferation of weapons of mass destruction. The closer we get to that world, the more fully we shall be plunged into a balance of terror far more unstable than any during the Cold War era. The world likes to think in terms of multilateral treaties and international law, but the harsh reality of proliferating weapons of mass destruction, and the transformation this is working upon the worldwide balance of power, is the real reason why we are invading — and must invade — Iraq.â€

Posted: Tue Jan 16, 2007 7:07 am
by gunslnga
gulliver wrote:Like I stated gunny, everything you copied was a paste job from a liberal blog.
gulliver wrote:all the above....some lame copy and paste from a liberal blog....
Just a response to alien's paste job. I was fishing to see if he had a view of his own.


I have the same problem allot of us on here have, I skim the post and start typing before I'm finished. I wonder if theres a name for this condition I/some are afflicted with???? HA!HA! :lol:

Posted: Tue Jan 16, 2007 7:18 am
by gunslnga
Alan,
Whether you and I agree on anything else doesnt matter, but the troops are there re-guardless if you like it, support it, or accept it. I based my post on the fact that they are there, and need more equipment, weapons, ammo, new technology, more troops, more beans, bullets, and bandaids to continue to survive until the Guvment figures out whats next. I cannot tell you what it means to be in harms way, and not have the stuff necessary to your very own survival. When I got to the Storm, we were issued a new rifle, pistol, and machine gun that we had no training on, we were then told not to use any ammo we brought in the new guns, no new ammo in the old guns and that we would get 15-20 minutes of remedial training to become proficient in the use of these new wonder weapons we had never even seen. I was stationed in Germany when we went to war, Germany had Vietnam era weapons and vehicles to go to war with. The troops didnt ask to go there, but while there they should have whats necessary to survive, no matter the cost. You can be pissed at all the reasons we shouldnt be there, but it doesnt change a damn thing.........

Posted: Tue Jan 16, 2007 8:36 am
by gregkerzhner
I like my oil nice and cheap...