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BTW, Gretchen, you might want to get up-to-speed on current medical science.

Thanks rhunt! Acctually a friend of mine's mother told me that she smoked like chimney during all 5 of her prgenancy, each child was born over 9lbs a piece, healthy little ones. She said, " just think how big the kids might have been if I didn't smoke, hahaha"

Artsay, it was my decision. Everything in moderation is my motto. I communicated my actions to my midwives. I have been in healthcare long enough to know that you can do everything right but things can go very wrong none the less.

Rights, rights, rights.....bullshit. It's a term used too many times by too many people for the stupidest things and because of that it doesn't mean shit anymore.

For fucks sake, life ain't easy and you may just get hurt by it. Deal. You do not have a right to a world protected by childproof packaging.

I don't smoke, but a sign telling me where and when I could (if I wanted to) isn't what I want from my government. If it bugs you, beat the crap out of someone that is impolite enough to smoke around you. Self preservation is your responsibility. It truly scares me that so many people are comfortable with the ever expanding influence of government.

yawn...just because one has a healthy baby while smoking doesn't prove anything....let's don't stick our head in the sand to justify our choices.

Gretchen chose to smoke during the preganncy, depsite all the evidence to the contrary. end of story. blame or shame is just that....

now, let me take it one step further MJ...if stopping a behavior is to protect those who are being infringed upon, it would lead me to beleive that all those against smoking in public (to protect those innocent workers), would also be very pro life, to protect the innocent babies...I can hear it now, "o that's different"...yawn, the facts ALSO remain the same.

my only point with the analogy....protecting "innocent" people rarely works, because what we are really after is protecting ourselves from behaviors we deem repulsive or unsightly...

and rhunt, who says you came out "alright".....

charlie wrote: It truly scares me that so many people are comfortable with the ever expanding influence of government.

So you support chaos?

lol.....that's it scare him meadows....people are unable to control their own behaviors...so lets legislate them to death..heck, that's what we are doing in Iraq, since we know the bumkins over there can't do it without our help...seems alot of people don't like THAT though....

where is the consistency?

you know what is good about all of this. I hope to meet many of you this weekend, and the only thing that matters is our passion for climbing..all theses other differences are squat, but fun to debate.

the only danger is thinking that you have the golden key of knowledge..I would like to step to the front of the line for being a numb nut....

Meadows wrote:

charlie wrote: It truly scares me that so many people are comfortable with the ever expanding influence of government.

So you support chaos?

I don't think that is what he means...but time will tell.

rhunt wrote:

air canada wrote: And my health has never been affected by someone else drinking.

Not yet...plenty of people out there who have lost loved ones to drunk drivers

The act of drinking doesn't cause me any problems, the fumes coming off of open alcohol don't cause my lungs to burn, the way the smoke of a cigarette does.

The actions of someone under the influence can be deadly. No question.

pigsteak wrote:yawn...just because one has a healthy baby while smoking doesn't prove anything....let's don't stick our head in the sand to justify our choices.

Gretchen chose to smoke during the preganncy, depsite all the evidence to the contrary. end of story. blame or shame is just that....

now, let me take it one step further MJ...if stopping a behavior is to protect those who are being infringed upon, it would lead me to beleive that all those against smoking in public (to protect those innocent workers), would also be very pro life, to protect the innocent babies...I can hear it now, "o that's different"...yawn, the facts ALSO remain the same.

my only point with the analogy....protecting "innocent" people rarely works, because what we are really after is protecting ourselves from behaviors we deem repulsive or unsightly...

and rhunt, who says you came out "alright".....

Yawn ... Yeah, it's different - pro-life/pro-choice is a different argument and what facts from that will help you with the argument here? It's the old apples to oranges scenario.

The ban on smoking is protecting our health. See fact stated before.

I think Rhunt said that he turned out "fine" and yes sir, HE DID!

Meadows wrote:I think Rhunt said that he turned out "fine" and yes sir, HE DID!

Hey thanks babe for watching my back...