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[quote="SCIN"] Sure, hanging the draws does make some routes harder. But so does doing a route without chalk, or without shoes, or hungover, or on a humid day, etc. etc. [quote]

Well hell, then...so, since I don't use chalk, prefer to hang my draws and create my own humidity and weather patterns my .10b is equivalent to Sik's .12b? SWEET

Rain Man: so, this is how you got your nick name "author's name" ?
(by creating weather pattern out of not using chalk)
Truly, climbing without chalk, or in the dead of winter, or in the heart of a 90 degree summer day imposes upon us pretty heavily. Clipping or not, that too imposes upon us...but why make a 'cake' out of it???
If we do make a big deal out of this pink / summer / winter / chalk, then what will then stop us from adding 4 or say 5 lines to each routes in the guidebooks by saying:
First winter ascent (Mr. / Mrs. Such and Such) 1935
First summer ascent (Mr. / Mrs. Such and Such) 1985
First clipping ascent (Mr. / Mrs. Such and Such) 1986
First ascent dry tooling (Mr. / Mrs. Such and Such) 1999
Etc... Etc...

Now someone please tell me how ridiculous that is...

Be a man, put it up youself. All that stupid crap started with sport not trad.

No, Vic, my "nick" was suggested to me by SikMonkey about a month back because I sweat so damn much while climbing. If I used chalk I would have white, greasy hands; that's how much I sweat. Sik and ToddC and one other climber literally thought for a moment that the forecasted rain for the day was finally moving in. Not a drip here, then another 10-15 seconds later, I'm talking constant "replace the damn washer on the faucet" dripping. I don't think about using chalk. I don't say "well, I did it w/o chalk, so it was harder for me and therfore I'm better", or any such shit like that.

I was simply making a joke based off what Ray commented on about chalk and placing draws vs. clipping them and the weather.

Rain Man: That's classic! A friend of mine (could have been name reain forest) had the same problem. I totally understand. His quick fix wasn't so quick though. He started biking one spring, and kept at it until his body adjusted to the heat of the summer. It was 4-5 months and a lot of work before he had that under "control".
Last I heard, he's still in Atlanta, and not sweating as much.
Hey, I don't know if this would help ya, but thought I would share that with you.

Well, the problem is I just generate a lot of heat. I've broken out in a sweat while eating or sleeping. I wear shorts and such all winter long, because I'm still warm. When I go for a run and get back and take a cold shower, I start sweating again AFTER I get out of the shower...It's nuts. I carry a small towel on my harness when I climb.

Some of that will go away when you learn to relax on the climb too.

Mj

Rain Man, If you train a lot of cardio and bring your fitness up a few levels you won't sweat as much anymore. It has worked for me...I sweat a lot as well.

You're probably right, Sik.

rhunt; my resting heart-rate is somewhere in the mid 40's and BP typically 100/60. I run a 5:30 mile and multi-mile runs at a 6:00-6:30 pace, my fitness level is not the problem. I am 6'2" 225lbs and roughly 7-8% BF...I am simply a walking heat generator, because my metabolism get's kicked into high gear and the muscle tissue generates and uses a lot of energy.

Rain Man: The problem is that you are too tall.