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Once it cleans up, the mfrp will host many 5 star climbs IMO. Check out the 12s at monastery, jewjew fruit at fruit wall, and the abyss at the deep end. These have stood out to me so far.

Oh yeah I forgot about grim reaper, doa, and the climbs at the portal. Very good.

Witness the citrus was the most fun 11 jug haul I have been on in the gorge. The entire fruit wall is pretty awesome looking.

I have only climbed 5 routes there at Secret Garden but I thought Hippie lip balm and little wing (aside from being a tad bit dirty) were fun as hell (4 stars but dirty)! I think the ones way to the right named after 9/11 were 3 stars at best. I think you may be off on your rating of the entire Miller fork area in one visit. But then again, what the hell do I know!

Did I miss something? Was there a crag competition? Who won? Shady Grove?

I think many of you are confusing "very good" with 5 stars. There are lots of very good routes at Miller, but I haven't seen anything 5 stars yet. I haven't been to Shadows crags, but I have high hopes there will be a few 5 star lines there. What we really need is a quality expert to weigh in. Where is Odub or Justin R, aka JR.

I do however think Miller will get better with age. It just needs a lot more traffic, and then all the crags and climbs will gain some quality.

Lastly, Alexander is confusing quality with difficulty. He just wants more hard routes at Miller, which there are not many of either.


If Shady Grove is our best crag... I am moving.

What does the star rating mean?
*= OK
**= good
***= very good
****= great!
*****= world class

I like the three star rating
*= good
**= great
***= must do! Best in area.

To many stars are kind of goofy looking, but seems to be the trend with new guidebooks. The older books would stop at three. When will it be a ten star rating...

It is better than no rock at all. Get over the fact that you didn't find some sort of perfect movement built just like your wet dream of a masturbation route at a plastic gym. Real rock was not created for five star climbs. It is there because of geological processes. Just take what we have at our availability and start climbing it. If you and enough others start doing that then a "five-star" route might be found.

I have not been to the MFRP yet, but I would bet that it is better than the majority of the rock I have been climbing recently. I will take crap over nothing, and mediocre over crap, and enjoy all of it no matter what.

Take your expensive Patagouche' diapers off and put some big boy pants on. Some hard work of finding something, or anything, worth climbing might help create an appreciation of rock in general for you.

Be thankful you have the ability to climb, no matter what it is you are climbing.

Oops, I probably didn't take Vedder's advice there. I apologize for my profane response to you ungrateful position. My point is not to anger you. Please, instead, just be thankful that you have rock to climb on. Be thankful that you can climb anything in general.

A good wine takes time...............