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I agree 100%. Thanks for getting rid of the 0. Don't let all these crazy climbers confuse you

Come on people this is a serious resource and historical record!

Shaggy at Oil Crack a 5! Don't waste your time and put goof-ball votes on routes.

Ray,

I hope you have this thing set up so you can only vote on the quality of the climb if you have sent it....either lead or TR.

I thought about that .Seems like as long as yuo have been up it a time or two ,you have a good idea what to vote. No matter how you did it.Its a vote not a redpoint.

Come on ! Vote ! I know more than 6 of you have climbed something .
What are you afraid to vote for anything now becoz you voted for Bush or somethin? Lamewades.

I don't agree with the idea of having to redpoint a route before you can vote on it's quality. I know plenty of routes which I haven't redpointed but can still definitely say I think they're kick ass routes.

Actually, ynot, 1312 routes have been voted on so far.

Regarding the whole 'zero star option' vs. 'no zero star option' - I would rather have a zero option. But in the end, it doesn't matter as long as it's clear what the system is.

Someone brought up the issue of this being like the ratings for hotels and such. I just thought I would mention the origin of all of this 'star' stuff. As far as I know, the start was with the Guide Michelin. The tire company started writing guides to encourage people to take driving vactions (thus wearing out their tires!) The Michelin rating sytem has three stars, but almost all restaurants get zero stars. There are only about 600 restaurants in France that have any stars and only about 20 that get three stars. There are tens of thousands of restaurants in France, and lots of great restaurants that don't rank as even one star restaurants, so having any stars at all is a very big deal.

From my perspective, 'stars' only mean something when mediocre routes don't rank any stars. To make a system like this work, you would have to ask a first question "Does this route deserve any stars?" and if yes, then get input on how many stars. This would overcome the problem of averaging 'zero' into the voting.

But like I said - as long as the system is clearly explained, it will do the trick!

I dunno man...
I'm with Power2U on this one.
If a "0" is a valid vote then all of a sudden the median is 2.5 instead of 3. It doesn't make sense to have a median which cannot even be directly submitted as a vote.

Why not say 2.5.or whatever?

The star system is kinda antiquated.

i.e."Dirty Sanchez 5.12b 3.1415/5--306 votes cast"

That way it could be formulaic.And automatic.I mean you get odd nuber of votes you're eventually going to come up with a fraction.Why not just show the fraction.Vote by stars.List by fractions.
If you show the number of votes then It also adds another facet to your data.The amount of traffic that it sees.It might not weigh-in in February.But,on Labor Day it could influence your crag destination.Who wants to go to a 5/5 star super highway on labor day,I'd much rather pick a route that is a little out of the way and has a high rating then fight the hippies and dogs!!!(present company excepted)

Ummm....we're already doing that here.
The median is the number which is right in the middle.
3 is right in the middle of 5
12 3 45
2.5 isn't.
12 2.5 345

Ray, you've been doing a great job! You've got the system down ,go with it! Darch is a ZERO Option and if JH doesn't know where to climb on a holiday, he should stay home! Neither of them will be climbing here in a few years if at all anyway!