What is closed because of these bear shenanigans?

[ynot]

That does it Combs. You are off my Christmas card list.

[aingram702]

The park is the Red River Gorge. Lol. When i say it's closed you must be hiding under a rock to not know what i'm talking about. Positive vibes brah...positive vibes from a pimpin playa banger. You even climb PIGSTEAK?

[dustonian]

Pigsteak probably bolted about 30% of the routes you come here to climb, fucktard.

[cliftongifford]

he's only climbed almost 600 routes in the red.

[cliftongifford]

and crushes 12's.

which proves you're theory that he may be under a rock somewhere, he's probably not hiding though...

[bcombs]

All hail the pig.

[Andrew]

the god of carbon steel

[toad857]

The park is the Red River Gorge.

RRG isn't a park. it's a geologic area of special distinction that is entirely within the daniel boone national forest.

for your edification:

national forests (like the daniel boone) are federal lands, pretty much managed as a resource reserve, which was their original purpose. they're usually highly fragmented, not very majestic as a whole, but otherwise can be enormous (like this one). they're for timber, hunting, wildlife, hunting wildlife, sometimes ATV trails, sometimes hiking, rarely rock climbing or other recreation. lots of fire fighting, guerilla-ganja growing, meth labbing, poaching, timber thieving, and bear photographing.

within national forests, you can have designated "wilderness" areas, like clifty wilderness (funk rock city et al). "wilderness" means no power tools, heavy equipment, logging, etc. it's what most people think of when they think of the wild, undisturbed, or 'pristine' forest or whatever. they're usually large & contiguous.

state parks (like natural bridge) are entirely different as they are maintained by the state, not federal, government. different rules, different purposes, different people. i think of them as more recreation-geared, like for day-hikers with RVs and boats. you can't climb at natural bridge SP anymore.

then there are state nature preserves, too. the idea is that they preserve areas of biological integrity and rare species. day hiking is usually allowed. no climbing. these are truly special places. go here to learn about how they almost got royally f*d: http://www.kyconservation.org/Alert_Arc ... -02-06.pdf

wildlife management areas are pretty much for fishing, hunting and shooting things. can be grassland, forest, fragmented, rivers, whatever. state land.

then there are the gracious private landowners that let you climb on their land. kiss their feet. or better yet, donate time and/or resources to the cause. muir and torrent.

and PMRP is, well, go here: www.rrgcc.org. it's 'private' ownership, but it's the community of climbers & donations, and some really dedicated people that keep it alive. don't climb there without having donated something or picked up trash.

national parks (yosemite, yellowstone, mammoth cave) are big, busy, silly places. do not visit them until you are retired w/ an RV camper, or have young children that won't remember the trip. usually leaving the car is optional.


So, basically, when people say they are going climbing in the "red", they usually mean they are climbing in the RRG region. that typically includes DBNF, private land like Muir or Torrent, and PMRP land. know where you're climbing!

[Redpoint's Bear]

grrr I'm sorry for all the problems one of my relatives has caused for everybody. Does anybody know where I can get some more berries? Grrrrrr

[mike_a_lafontaine]

I know a lot of stuff about land use designations.

Thank you. That was actually quite concise and useful.

national parks (yosemite, yellowstone, mammoth cave) are big, busy, silly places. do not visit them until you are retired w/ an RV camper, or have young children that won't remember the trip. usually leaving the car is optional.

Actually, this is a bit off. It should be that the outskirts of national parks are big, busy, silly places. I've backpacked for weeks at a time in the back country of both Yosemite and Yellowstone without seeing another person for days. Most the fat lazies stay well out of the backcountry, leaving it for the rest of us.