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well said Eric.

Fo Shizzle.

like any red trip that requires a night or two at a campground, there's often at least one person with a dog.... same reason a lot of folks rarely get to go to muir.

you can keep that person (and dog) out of a campground, but you'll also be keeping out his/her five, six, or ten friends, too.

yeah, i hear that muir valley has gone way downhill since me and my dog quit climbing there

kramp, you are the typical 'climber"..not really concerned with climbing, but more concerned with being seen with your dog. realclimbers leave the dogs at home...posers insist that the dog goes everywhere..take up hiking people.

AWWWW NAWWW thats my Dawg....

perhaps i was misunderstood--it's not that i think people are evil dog haters for wanting doggie restrictions (maybe i should have used the slang version of 'haters')... it would just be nice if someone who particularly loved dogs somehow incorporated a fenced in dog area on a campground... i certainly don't expect or anticipate such a campground in the red. just something i would do if i were so interested in investing in a campground.

as a dog owner, definitely my responsibility to clean up shit and keep them from jumping up on people, scaring them, etc. however, like children, dogs can be unruly--and they can have 'bad' days. dogs may be the closest thing i ever get to having children. it gets really tough traveling with them sometimes; it would be unique and cool to have something somewhere to make that a bit easier.

Okay, so..... This might be the appropriate thread to post this question.

I usually walk up to a crag with my dog on a leash. Tie him to a tree. Climb a route or two. Then ask a member from the group next to me, "would it bother you if I let my dog off the leash" and follow it up with, "If he's bothering you, I can tie him up"

Is this proper etiquette? Or bad etiquette?

At least you have the common courtesy to ask -thank you. Most people do not and just assume it's ok and that's where trouble begins.

pigsteak wrote:kramp, you are the typical 'climber"..not really concerned with climbing, but more concerned with being seen with your dog. realclimbers leave the dogs at home...posers insist that the dog goes everywhere..take up hiking people.

Seriously, image is everything pigsteak, if you haven't learned this by now, your hopeless. So I can't climb a 5.13, but my bitch makes me look cool so people still talk to me.