Posted: Tue Feb 10, 2009 9:41 pm
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Posted: Tue Feb 10, 2009 9:44 pm
national forests were created for specific reasons.
they are resource banks. they are tree stores. they are places to put atv trails and places to kill deer. always have been, always will be!
but how can climbing have a "positive" influence on an entire ecosystem. there is no 'positive' and 'negative' when talking about an ecosystem. only when taking a distinctly human perspective will you be able to assign labels like those, which do not concern goldenrods
they are resource banks. they are tree stores. they are places to put atv trails and places to kill deer. always have been, always will be!
but how can climbing have a "positive" influence on an entire ecosystem. there is no 'positive' and 'negative' when talking about an ecosystem. only when taking a distinctly human perspective will you be able to assign labels like those, which do not concern goldenrods
Posted: Tue Feb 10, 2009 10:10 pm
I'm curious if the study takes into consideration the terrain? Does the hiker / climber impact % grow when you consider how much of the 42,000 acres is actually accessible by foot? Or, another way to look at it is that hikers and climbers are heading to a destination. Some specific feature or viewpoint. So when compared to the whole gorge it's not that impactful.
Posted: Wed Feb 11, 2009 12:39 am
Maybe not, but biological impact involves more than just the soil under your feet. A quick search will reveal numerous studies on the subject.bcombs wrote:I'm curious if the study takes into consideration the terrain? Does the hiker / climber impact % grow when you consider how much of the 42,000 acres is actually accessible by foot? Or, another way to look at it is that hikers and climbers are heading to a destination. Some specific feature or viewpoint. So when compared to the whole gorge it's not that impactful.
http://www.abc.net.au/science/articles/ ... pic=latest
http://www.ingentaconnect.com/content/n ... awler=true
Also, I know of a study done a few years ago that looked at climbed and unclimbed cliffs in Linville Gorge and also at Obed. Even if you tread lightly and do not scrub and saw, high traffic areas are likely to disturb pollinators and animals that would disperse fruit (i.e. patterns of gene flow and dispersal, respectively). The erosion at the base of cliffs (and runoff) is an issue and the impact to the cliff-tops is probably the most detrimental because without them (communities on top of the cliff) populations become disconnected genetically (no need to extend this dialogue here).
I think everyone realizes they have some impact on the environment so the 'positive' option is a misnomer. Yes, I might be a nerd but it pays the bills.
Posted: Wed Feb 11, 2009 1:43 am
i hate MOB for starting this thread. can we have him banned???
his impact to this site is 5 post out of 900,784,987,738,370,084 and that means his impact is .000000004736867%... ban his ass!
his impact to this site is 5 post out of 900,784,987,738,370,084 and that means his impact is .000000004736867%... ban his ass!
Posted: Wed Feb 11, 2009 2:16 am
Here is the link to Chris Carr's thesis: http://www.ohiolink.edu/etd/view.cgi?ac ... 1178812135 the abstract and then the link to the full text. Practically, if you had walked as much of the cliffline and bushwhacked through as much of the forest as I have you would realize how much of RRG is untouched and how little recent human activities are impacting the area.
PS: Please pray or whatever you do for Chris to recover speedily from his recent heart surgery.
PS: Please pray or whatever you do for Chris to recover speedily from his recent heart surgery.
Posted: Wed Feb 11, 2009 4:06 am
Damn you, Andrew. I'd've had it if it weren't for you and your wicked games.Andrew wrote:I do belong in the climb and spray group. Did you see I won the golden sombrero for the week. You can check the latest routes sent and see for yourself.
Posted: Wed Feb 11, 2009 4:37 am
Rock Climbing of Environmental Impact:
Tight hands with good gear on great stone.
Tight hands with good gear on great stone.
Re: Environmental Impact of Rock Climbing
Posted: Wed Feb 11, 2009 6:10 am
+1.5 acres Opossum Cragcaptain static wrote:For the Red River Gorge the environmental impact from climbing is negligible. The measured area of climbing impact from the Forest Service resource inventory was 73,509 square feet (1.69 acres) in a total forest area of 42,000 acres. There is about 320 miles of cliffline in Red River Gorge. Also, where people climb in RRG there sometimes is no vegetation at the base or on the cliff. Where there are sensitive species (white-haired goldenrod, virginia big eared bat) the USFS has closed those areas to all recreation.
If it would be helpful I could send you a file of Chris Carr's Masters Thesis about climbing impacts in RRG. Send me an e-mail, Bill Strachan - bill(at)rrgcc.orgIf you consider "secured" to be where climbing is explicitly allowed:MOB wrote:I'm also looking for info such as, total amount land secured for climbing (conservation) in Red River Gorge through organizations such as RRGCC, Access fund...
Public Land
42,000 acres - Red River Gorge (Limits of Acceptable Change Area)
Privately Owned Land
750 acres - Pendergrass-Murray Recreational Preserve (RRCGG)
400 acres - Muir Valley Nature Preserve and Climbing Arena
80 acres - Graining Fork Nature Preserve (Roadside)
80 acres- Torrent Falls
1,310 acres - Total
1,315.5 -Total
Posted: Wed Feb 11, 2009 2:08 pm
Thanks Capt. for the link. started in on the first 100 pgs last night. It's interesting stuff ( and the whole research paper thing just brings back shivers of college days)