Karma's a bitch baby. Shitty things happen to shitty people. Maybe you need to think about the way you live your life?J.H. wrote:In the second incident of me being bitten/snapped at by a dog. The dog in question was under a table with no one else around. I walked by not knowing the dog was there. It came out and bit my ankle, no bark, no growl, nothing. I turned and it came at me barking and snapping. I backed up, fast! It didn't maul me to death. It didn't break the skin. It was stupid of the owner to post the dog up, unsupervised under a table in the path where people walk. It was a fucking ambush!!! What did I do wrong. Nothing.
The latest incident; I was walking along the trail toward Persian Gulf. As I was passing by Blue Plate special. There were three people there with two dogs. One was on a leash being held in a womans hands. As I walked past the dog who was on a leash, that was in the womans hands came out and bit me on the ankle. I stepped it up a step or two and said back to the woman," Lady! I'll kill your fucking dog!" I didn't stop, I kept moving. Went to my climb. Climbed. Then went home. In the 4 hours that I was there, there no apology was offered. On this board when I stated what my intended course of action will be in the future. It's all my fault. I provoked the dog...... What did I do wrong. Nothing.
About your dog.
Another reason.....
Well, here is yet another negative to stack on the pile of reasons not to bring a dog (if your not going to be attentive).
What about the other people within your group. Do they appreciate having to be dog monitor while your climbing or belaying? If they are friends, they aren't likely to tell you they can't stand it and they will just deal with it. I've climbed with a group of friends where one of them had a dog and didn't seem to care about watching it. We had to monitor that dog every second or it would be diggin in packs looking for food and chew toys. It would also chew on the ropes if you didn't catch him in time. It was constant yelling (usually from someone other then the owner) at the dog all day to stop biting this and stop doing that on and on. Everyone had to keep one eye on the dog, one eye on their stuff all the while trying to be an attentive belayer or climbing. It also wandered off frequently nowhere to be found till someone went looking for him which always fell to the one person not doing anything at the moment. The dog got progressively worse as the day went on. The owner would leash it up finally, but then the whimpering would start and then the barking would start and soon had to let it off because he was also fed up just as everyone else was. His remarks all day were "Oh he's just a pup.. blah blah blah". I completely blame the owner for being way to casual about the whole ordeal. As for me, I won't be climbing with him again anytime soon. It was a horrible day and I should have just left at the first signs of it all.
Many of you keep saying your dogs are gentle and kind and well behaved. Fine, we aren't talking about your dogs then. We are talking about the out of control dogs where the owners are in total denial or just don't care. With that said, most likely anyone with this negative attitude isn't even reading these forums anyway so why even bother? I know the guy I speak of doesn't so he won't see this. Maybe it's the idea of being able to vent our frustrations in a safe way. Venting on here is much better then taking it out on people at the crag where we are supposed to be having a good time.
Anyway, if you are considerate and control your dogs at the crag, I personally thank you and welcome your dog at any crag.
What about the other people within your group. Do they appreciate having to be dog monitor while your climbing or belaying? If they are friends, they aren't likely to tell you they can't stand it and they will just deal with it. I've climbed with a group of friends where one of them had a dog and didn't seem to care about watching it. We had to monitor that dog every second or it would be diggin in packs looking for food and chew toys. It would also chew on the ropes if you didn't catch him in time. It was constant yelling (usually from someone other then the owner) at the dog all day to stop biting this and stop doing that on and on. Everyone had to keep one eye on the dog, one eye on their stuff all the while trying to be an attentive belayer or climbing. It also wandered off frequently nowhere to be found till someone went looking for him which always fell to the one person not doing anything at the moment. The dog got progressively worse as the day went on. The owner would leash it up finally, but then the whimpering would start and then the barking would start and soon had to let it off because he was also fed up just as everyone else was. His remarks all day were "Oh he's just a pup.. blah blah blah". I completely blame the owner for being way to casual about the whole ordeal. As for me, I won't be climbing with him again anytime soon. It was a horrible day and I should have just left at the first signs of it all.
Many of you keep saying your dogs are gentle and kind and well behaved. Fine, we aren't talking about your dogs then. We are talking about the out of control dogs where the owners are in total denial or just don't care. With that said, most likely anyone with this negative attitude isn't even reading these forums anyway so why even bother? I know the guy I speak of doesn't so he won't see this. Maybe it's the idea of being able to vent our frustrations in a safe way. Venting on here is much better then taking it out on people at the crag where we are supposed to be having a good time.
Anyway, if you are considerate and control your dogs at the crag, I personally thank you and welcome your dog at any crag.
the drama.
there is a doggy park here in Cincy. Lucky Duck LOVES it. He starts whining miles before we get there. Lucky Duck has a problem. He's a bully. He doesn't bite humans, but he has a problem with other dogs. Especially if they want to "play" with him...or even worse, play the aggresive game with him. This is not cute, it is not acceptable behavior for a dog. Period. Lucky Duck no longer has the opportunity to play at the park. He has been corrected time and time again with no change in his behavior pattern. So the only present solution is to leave him at home.
Lucky Duck also has another problem. He barks at people when they are approaching him at the crag/or home. I don't care what anyone says, this is NOT FUCKING CUTE! It is embarrising. I don't like it when a dog is barking at me as I'm approaching. It's annoying and its intimdating. So, what do I do about this? I have resorted to pain. I know the duck was abused before I had him and this might seem cruel. But enough is enough. If he won't listen to verbal commands then this is the only resort. I will not hit him, but I will grab his muzzle and jab my fingers up as far as I can under his jaw, right where it's sensitve. This is the only thing that has worked so far. He's getting better about not barking and hopefully he will rid this nasty habit forever. He is not perfect, but at least I'm working with him instead of ignoring the problem. I have seen owners LAUGH when their dog barks at other people. I have seen owners even do the "get 'em" while their dog is barking at strangers. That is not cute nor is it funny (although I have told the Duck to get JH once or twice but this was only after climbing with him for the weekend and the Duck knew him and was playing). Scaring people is not funny.
How do I handle the duck's aggresivness towards other dogs? I keep a close eye on him and if he gets out of line, he gets the old hands around the muzzle. He is trying to play nice, and he's getting better, but it will be awhile before we go back to the doggie park.
Now, I too have a gripe. There is this dog at Miguels who doesn't like females. Yet, it's owner constantly has her tied up at the picnic table right next to the front door. Why the fuck would you tie your dog up right by the front door if your dog snaps at people? I keep forgetting what this dog looks like and she has snapped at me twice. Her owner does have the decentsy (sp?) to apologize. But does this stop him from leashing her up there again the next night? No! Should I be held accountable if I've been warned? I don't think so. By allowing the dog to remain in the environment he's when when he behaves poorly, then you are teaching him that it's ok to behave that way. It is not my responsablilty to remember which bitch out of the 219 dogs at Miguels is going to bite me. I shouldn't have to. KEEP IT IN THE CAR! It's a crowded place and all of those people running around can be pretty stressful on a dog.
People, there are kids running around Miguels. A dog can do some pretty good damage to an adult, but he could seriously hurt a kid.
I don't think I have ever met a perfect dog...but I swear the next time an owner does the "get 'em" to their dog as I'm approaching it, I will pick up a stick and use it...or even better, a rock. Forget the verbal threats.
Ya know what, if someone wants to pick up a stick and use it on the Duck if he is being aggressive by barking or approaching you or attacking/growling at your dogs, then PLEASE do so. Maybe this will cure this nasty pattern.
YOU HAVE THE RIGHT TO PROCTECT YOURSELF IF BEING ATTACKED.
there is a doggy park here in Cincy. Lucky Duck LOVES it. He starts whining miles before we get there. Lucky Duck has a problem. He's a bully. He doesn't bite humans, but he has a problem with other dogs. Especially if they want to "play" with him...or even worse, play the aggresive game with him. This is not cute, it is not acceptable behavior for a dog. Period. Lucky Duck no longer has the opportunity to play at the park. He has been corrected time and time again with no change in his behavior pattern. So the only present solution is to leave him at home.
Lucky Duck also has another problem. He barks at people when they are approaching him at the crag/or home. I don't care what anyone says, this is NOT FUCKING CUTE! It is embarrising. I don't like it when a dog is barking at me as I'm approaching. It's annoying and its intimdating. So, what do I do about this? I have resorted to pain. I know the duck was abused before I had him and this might seem cruel. But enough is enough. If he won't listen to verbal commands then this is the only resort. I will not hit him, but I will grab his muzzle and jab my fingers up as far as I can under his jaw, right where it's sensitve. This is the only thing that has worked so far. He's getting better about not barking and hopefully he will rid this nasty habit forever. He is not perfect, but at least I'm working with him instead of ignoring the problem. I have seen owners LAUGH when their dog barks at other people. I have seen owners even do the "get 'em" while their dog is barking at strangers. That is not cute nor is it funny (although I have told the Duck to get JH once or twice but this was only after climbing with him for the weekend and the Duck knew him and was playing). Scaring people is not funny.
How do I handle the duck's aggresivness towards other dogs? I keep a close eye on him and if he gets out of line, he gets the old hands around the muzzle. He is trying to play nice, and he's getting better, but it will be awhile before we go back to the doggie park.
Now, I too have a gripe. There is this dog at Miguels who doesn't like females. Yet, it's owner constantly has her tied up at the picnic table right next to the front door. Why the fuck would you tie your dog up right by the front door if your dog snaps at people? I keep forgetting what this dog looks like and she has snapped at me twice. Her owner does have the decentsy (sp?) to apologize. But does this stop him from leashing her up there again the next night? No! Should I be held accountable if I've been warned? I don't think so. By allowing the dog to remain in the environment he's when when he behaves poorly, then you are teaching him that it's ok to behave that way. It is not my responsablilty to remember which bitch out of the 219 dogs at Miguels is going to bite me. I shouldn't have to. KEEP IT IN THE CAR! It's a crowded place and all of those people running around can be pretty stressful on a dog.
People, there are kids running around Miguels. A dog can do some pretty good damage to an adult, but he could seriously hurt a kid.
I don't think I have ever met a perfect dog...but I swear the next time an owner does the "get 'em" to their dog as I'm approaching it, I will pick up a stick and use it...or even better, a rock. Forget the verbal threats.
Ya know what, if someone wants to pick up a stick and use it on the Duck if he is being aggressive by barking or approaching you or attacking/growling at your dogs, then PLEASE do so. Maybe this will cure this nasty pattern.
YOU HAVE THE RIGHT TO PROCTECT YOURSELF IF BEING ATTACKED.
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good post, Chester. But of course you are a responsible dog owner.
Notice, J.H., that Chester isn't advocating cutting off the heads of dogs that offend you. Certainly defend yourself when you need to, but you really shouldn't resort to killing a dog unless you believe your life is threatened. It's common sense.
I'd sure like to know what the dog who hates women looks like. Tying it up in front of Miguel's is obsurd!
Notice, J.H., that Chester isn't advocating cutting off the heads of dogs that offend you. Certainly defend yourself when you need to, but you really shouldn't resort to killing a dog unless you believe your life is threatened. It's common sense.
I'd sure like to know what the dog who hates women looks like. Tying it up in front of Miguel's is obsurd!
LOL!! When I first read this I assumed you were going to use the stick or rock just against the dog if it attacks, but then thought about it a second and realized... HEY!! use them on the owner also for being such an idiot.chester wrote:I don't think I have ever met a perfect dog...but I swear the next time an owner does the "get 'em" to their dog as I'm approaching it, I will pick up a stick and use it...or even better, a rock. Forget the verbal threats.
Kato: Your close. In the past, on the farms of Kentucky, if our dog killed our neighbors livestock, we the owner had an obligation to put the dog down. And then reimburse the neighbor for damages. In the remote country, neighbors and friends where just too important. To loose a relationship over a dog was seldom heard of.
A hard lesson for us kids. Looking back: probably harder for my Dad
A hard lesson for us kids. Looking back: probably harder for my Dad
