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With this pseudo 3d approach the section of cliff line closest to the vantage point will be easiest to represent and understand. The more a cliff line snakes around the more difficult it will be to represent all rout locations accurately. I think some evolution of this technique would work for the printed guide. For the online guide it would be really cool if you could animate what you already have. For example, the user could grab a bar on a tool and pan through a vantage path. I can see that you are having fun. I enjoyed meeting you both the other day at the Solarium.

that is pretty sweet man.

Very cool,Between the online and the new guide book i dont think ive seen anything better.the map of roadside makes things very user friendly.You are making it very hard to get lost.

Michelle,

That is by far the coolest ting I have seen all week. Very, very excellent job. Are you going to post the finished crags on Google earth as well as here?

My only suggestion is add something like a top of route indicator. Maybe colored dots like the guide book.

Again awesome work.

Well done Artsay, it looks like you've been having some fun. Anyway, I'm not trying to be critical here because it looks awesome, just offering some feedback and suggestions.

I was wondering if it would be possible to add ledge systems. For example, the ledge above "Motha" and "Fadda". Also, it might be better to eliminate all of the route numbers with letters. Such as, 4a, 5a, 24a, etc. Is it possible to show streams, tributaries, waterfalls, etc.? Perhaps using blue? Maybe some type of clifftop will help show how the land drains along with making it easier to judge the height/steepness of various sections. Of course, a compass point and scale is always good on a map too and it takes up very little space.

That said, the cliff map already looks really rad and it will add a very professional look to the guide.

Looks really cool. Not sure how it would look printed out however, maybe a view slightly higher (from the top) would work better for printing purposes. The shadows I'm not a big fan of - it just takes away detail. A compass would work better IMHO.

Can you put more info on the trails? Sure we all know where the trails go to on Roadside, but for everyone else, a "trail to parking lot" would be nice info as not all trails lead you to the parking lot at all crags.

Since it's online, is it possible to mouse over the route number and have a window show up with the route name and info?

Great job!

Where can I get me some of that?!

I'm drooling coffee into my scruff looking at this thing!

WOW!!!! This is amazing!

I'm still new at route-finding. I rely pretty heavily on things other than the cliff-line itself - like boulders, trees, waterfalls/streams, cracks. You've already included the boulders on the ground, but adding a bit more non-rock bits would be helpful for a gumby like me. who am i kidding - what i really rely on is finding a partner that's been there before!!! makes route-finding all that much easier!

Don't know if this is possible or something that would super-easy to do with your software, but maybe you could make it so if you clicked on a section (for example
13-27) it would have a larger image of just those climbs? maybe that would address marathon medic's concerns w/o having to straighten out the cliff-line.

This is awesome stuff!!!

My friends and I have been using a similar looking program lately for surveying caves called Auriga. The look is similar, but I'd never thought about using it for climbing applications. Nice work! I'm also interested in how you got the cliff line and especially the angle of relief for the cliffs themselves. Are you able to import some kind of GPS information for the base line or is it freehand/rough reckoning? We are usually surveying as we go, so we are inputing that kind of data on the fly and we are mapping the negative spaces, not the positive spaces like the cliff line itself so our process is a little different. Surveying the cliff line to the degree of accuracy you would need to distinguish the routes would be time consuming but would no doubt be the most accurate thing out there

I'd agree with what has already been stated as well. I like a compass arrow and some additional surface detail would be nice: waterfalls, streams, grottos, etc. Also, additional route detail would be flashy, but maybe more trouble than it's worth. If this is intended as an addition to a guide, you should already have that kind of info. Allthough, comparing the relative height of the routes and where they stop at a glance would be a very cool feature.

Good thinking!

and looking at it again, I think it does read better with the route numbers condensed, at least at this scale.