Coffin Ridge/Buzzard Ridge

Post by **Wicked Tribe** » Mon Jan 24, 2005 6:29 pm

OK, common sense aside. Let's all abide by USFS regulations and if we climb up to a ledge and find no way down, just make sure we hit something soft when we jump down.

There is no way off that ledge without leaving something. Be forewarned. If you go to do it then I guess you'll be breaking the law by leaving fixed gear. Sometimes life just sucks.

I seriously doubt there is a webcam out there.

Post by **ynot** » Tue Jan 25, 2005 12:13 am

Fixed gear always gets stolen.It's never "fixed" for too long.

Post by **Bruisebrother** » Wed Jan 26, 2005 3:56 am

1st of all, Wicked, John's descriptions are right out of Martins 2nd edition. 2nd, Captain, Martin rapped off gear from the ledge under the roof at the top. Kieth and Cooke simul-rapped of a small projection on the ledge. We used to simul rap off a lot of routes back then using anything that would hold a rope and two of us!

Post by **captain static** » Wed Jan 26, 2005 4:31 am

Bruisebrother wrote:1st of all, Wicked, John's descriptions are right out of Martins 2nd edition. 2nd, Captain, Martin rapped off gear from the ledge under the roof at the top. Kieth and Cooke simul-rapped of a small projection on the ledge. We used to simul rap off a lot of routes back then using anything that would hold a rope and two of us!

Another mystery solved. Hey Bruisebro, they have been talking about rapping on some other threads. You ought to jump in there and tell them the story about when Manimal rapped off the end of the rope at Seneca.

Post by **lordjim_2001** » Wed Jan 26, 2005 4:39 am

captain static wrote:Another mystery solved. Hey Bruisebro, they have been talking about rapping on some other threads. You ought to jump in there and tell them the story about when Manimal rapped off the end of the rope at Seneca.

If it's the story I remember correctly you have to tell that story.

Post by **Wicked Tribe** » Wed Jan 26, 2005 7:27 pm

Bruise,
I wasn't being critical of John's directions...okay, I was. Mainly i was trying to correct some mixed ujp directions. When i first found Buzzard i could see that the directions for Coffin could easily fit the same chunk of rock and ther eis a set of cracks that alomst fit the description for Pine Box at Buzzard.

John states in his intro that he didn't visit every crag and a lot of the information he included even in the 2nd edition was second hand. I have been trying to update the information, no diss the guidebook author. Though in some other instances John deserved to be dissed for his directions.

I could see that you could probably simul rap from the ledge over Pine Box, but i couldn't be for certain from the ground.

Post by **Steve** » Wed Jan 26, 2005 8:28 pm

Wicked Tribe wrote:John states in his intro that he didn't visit every crag and a lot of the information he included even in the 2nd edition was second hand. I have been trying to update the information, no diss the guidebook author. Though in some other instances John deserved to be dissed for his directions.

Thats just it, many people don't read the into, hitory, etc. John's directions or lack there of are part of what makes his guides so good. Once you knew John, or tried to find a few of the obscure crags in his guide, you could quickly figure out that adventure was part of climbing.

As a guidebook user (any guidebook) I want the right mixture of vagueness and beta. It seems odd to print up a vauge guidebook, but it also seems odd to dish every detail in print. I guess there is a balance, John's book had it. Directions to Clear Cut Wall a little more vauge tahn directions to Left Flank. I like that.

Post by **Bruisebrother** » Wed Jan 26, 2005 9:11 pm

Hey, guys I wasn't dissing anyone. Lurking the thread, I was just going thruogh all my old guides and noticed the sameness! I'm actually for the vagueness it does add to the adventure of climbing. I certainly didn't mean to support Martin over anyone else even if he got me started in this. His North was sometimes South and just 'walk off to the Left' might put you on the edge of a 40' drop! I think he and John just wanted us all to have a better experience! As for Kieth adding to the legend of the Manimal all he did was turn a double rappel into one qiuck one! I think it was a 5.6. First off he didn't like the looks of the 1/2 dozen or so pieces of webbing on the rap tree so he added a brand new one. Then as he was flying on down, as in most good stories there was this hot chick, she was leading up the route next to him. So being Kieth he thought he'd show off a little and give a big kick off the wall. As he was passing the second rappel he realized the failsafe knot in the end of the doubled over rope was missing! Off he went for about a 30' flight landing flat on his back between a number of rocks. He bounced to his feet right in front of an older couple of tourest/hikers almost giving them a heart attack. asking if he was alright he remarked 'Bumbles Bounce' to them!

Post by **Wicked Tribe** » Wed Jan 26, 2005 9:38 pm

I notcied that John had correected some really serious erros in the second edition. I don't remember speciafically which crag, but one had directions like, "head left at the fork in the stream" and in the second ed. it said "head right"

So for a few years the crag was totally lost because no one could find it. Then when the second ed came out it was like having a whole new crag. Lots of fun...