Community Meeting - Nov 9th

[rrgclimber]

CLIMB AT YOUR OWN FUCKING RISK PERIOD.

[dustonian]

Basically, bolt and re-bolt at your own (fucking) risk now too... yesterday's brilliant meeting of minds basically gave the green light for people to swipe whatever the hell they please whenever the hell they please.

Pretty much done developing, publishing, and re-bolting "public" crags in this area now. Yesterday's so-called "consensus" that theft among climbers is to be tolerated has made it too risky. Back to the bushes and killer places none of you will ever see.

[rrgclimber]

Look people are going to do what they want no matter anybody else says. People are going to climb the way they want. We just need to inform people if are doing something risky. If they want to take what we have to say in consideration they will if not its on them. Nobody can tell anybody how to climb and be safe we can just show them.

[captain static]

Ok, I'll correct you Ian. It is in DBNF, but not Clifty. Still, fixed draws there are considered undesirable "left gear" and a potential obstacle to access and good relations with the powers that be... but then, the same could be said of bolts/hangers/trad anchors, so the distinction is arbitrary. The USFS has thus far been turning a blind eye to the draws on Nagypapa and the Legend (correct me if I'm wrong Bill), of course that could change at any time. The horribly eroded trail and base of the cliffs at LF and M, in addition to the frequent accidents and accumulation of litter at the crags, are bigger concerns in my opinion.

I don't know how many times I have posted USFS information in regard to fixed gear on this site with direct quotes from the Forest Plan? To simplify it: No new fixed anchors in Clifty Wilderness, no new fixed anchors anywhere else without USFS approval. Fixed anchors includes bolts, trad gear, and "straps" left in place and not removed after completion of a climb which means slings & quickdraws. As far as the USFS "turning a blind eye" they do not police these things, they expect climbers to police themselves. If we do not police ourselves then it creates a potential access issue. I know USFS personnel occassion this site but doubt they have the time to bore into these threads. The bottom line is that a "responsible climber" knows the rules and follows them. Not following them can create serious consequences. If USFS employees sees a problem in the field in regards to climbing I am the first one they call because I am the designated contact for the RRGCC. I have gotten such calls in the past and I do not want to get them in the future,

[captain static]

... and watch what you post. It's not even Friday

[dustonian]

Hey man I agree, the penises should come down... especially the Giant ones. And I don't even climb at those crags!

[@@@]

All I can say is... pure genius.
I want to try...
Personally I love fixed draws.

[Rotarypwr345704]

Basically, bolt and re-bolt at your own (fucking) risk now too... yesterday's brilliant meeting of minds basically gave the green light for people to swipe whatever the hell they please whenever the hell they please.

Pretty much done developing, publishing, and re-bolting "public" crags in this area now. Yesterday's so-called "consensus" that theft among climbers is to be tolerated has made it too risky. Back to the bushes and killer places none of you will ever see.

Please do. It would make my days better if I didn't have to run into you on a semi-regular basis. No one gives a fuck about your quasi-bolting-spray. Just shut up and do it, or don't. Whichever, just shut up.

[the lurkist]

the perma draws coated in plastic were the best. they were so stiff and rigid. you could grab the perma draws and choke up on them and pull into it.

[pigsteak]

choking the chicken is always good....