Green3 wrote:Never said you have to vote or are accidentally voting. I said that people on the fence about grades just click the vote button since it's already lined up. Or that people with no real opinion on the matter just click the vote button without thinking about what it's graded. Not a half assed argument, I think it's a logical conclusion to having the existing grade already suggested. Any self-respecting pollster/statistician would agree.
A self-respecting pollster/statistician may take into account that most RRG climbers are contentious bastards, in which case they might be more likely to vote DIFFERENT from the posted grade. So, are we more contentious or more lazy? Based on all your bullet-style arguments I'm not going to line you up in the indolent crowd.
Oh yeah, don't forget the part that I do actually agree with you.
efil lanrete... i enjoy the sound, but in truth i find this seductively backward idea to be quite frightening
o wait a sec..there is a stack of cheater stones now? you have got to be kidding? probably no harder than 11d now if you cheat...geez, climbers are dumb.
Having an over-inflated grade on a sport route somehow diminishes my personal experience with the climb. I am sure not everyone feels this way but regardless I wouldn't want to take away from other climbers enjoyment.
So go with the adage, "pick the lowest grade you can say out loud without laughing" and if the consensus differs enough, by all means, give it a bump.
JR wrote:So go with the adage, "pick the lowest grade you can say out loud without laughing" and if the consensus differs enough, by all means, give it a bump.
Bob Scarpelli's grading method (minus the bump). That's why Vedauwoo ascents are respected. If the place was fluffville it just wouldn't have the badass reputation it has.
Yo Ray jack dynomite! Listen to my beat box! Bew ch ch pff BEW ch ch pfff! Sweet!
no one else cares abut the cheater stones? the ground has not eroded, as there is a solid base there. what is the difference in putting cheater stones on this "boulder problem" and say, any problem at HP40 or Rocktown where you do not like the starting holds? as the equipper, I want to go on record as saying any "send" with these cheater stones is not legit, and please don't spray that you've sent. I hope all the cheats have sleepless nights over this trangression.
pigsteak wrote:no one else cares abut the cheater stones? the ground has not eroded, as there is a solid base there. what is the difference in putting cheater stones on this "boulder problem" and say, any problem at HP40 or Rocktown where you do not like the starting holds? as the equipper, I want to go on record as saying any "send" with these cheater stones is not legit, and please don't spray that you've sent. I hope all the cheats have sleepless nights over this transgression.
without our honor, we have nothing.
LMAO, I am going around and putting a pile of cheater stones at the base of every Piggy route in the Red for my winter entertainment.
This post has received about 50 more replies than I anticipated, and I'm psyched about that. Even with the start of Iniquity taken out of the equation, I feel like linking the no hands rest to the top on Iniquity is much pumpier with harder individual moves anything on cell block. I would go so far as to say linking the no hands rest to the top of iniquity is harder for me than linking the entirity of cell block....
JR wrote:Having an over-inflated grade on a sport route somehow diminishes my personal experience with the climb. I am sure not everyone feels this way but regardless I wouldn't want to take away from other climbers enjoyment.
So go with the adage, "pick the lowest grade you can say out loud without laughing" and if the consensus differs enough, by all means, give it a bump.
I can definitely understand that. I have downrated something before in my mind and tell myself "But it's still a 5 star route" and I'm not sure if that actually diminishes my experience. It definitely does feel like something is not quite right though, but I think I might just feel content knowing what I think it should be graded. Good place to stop for me. I think we agree on a lot JR, just maybe not the grade of Iniquity, though I'm sure it does feel 12B for you. Anyway, that was fun.
Props to Kipp for bolting it, and Ray for creating and maintaining this glorious website.
