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and, that my friends, is about the only reason I had to NOT vote for Obama. what a scary mentality. sorry DMW, but I pray your vision never comes true.dmw wrote:I hope he socializes the hell out of health care. It might finally not blow so much ass. Did you all notice how Wolfe Co., KY voted blue? Orange Co. CA voted red. I say let the wealth be redistributed. Spread it all around, Eastern KY could sure use some help.
Positive vibes brah...positive vibes.
I can not give you 5 good and 5 bad reasons. my reasoning is purely anecdotal. and yes, it partly does have to do with losing money, specifically my wife's income. example: she receives bonuses for efficiency, yet medicaid patients are mandated by law to be seen one at a time. private insured patients can be seen 3-4 at a time. not a big deal, since she has the staff and techs to help.
I can only assume that fully socialized medicine would take away choice of providers, but maybe not. I guess it is in my upbringing. There is something inside of me that grimaces at giving anything to anyone for free. now, if there is a tradeoff for the healthcare, then I am cool with it.
Example: if we provide a low income lady with healthcare for her kids, then by god she should be prohibited from buying Cheetos, soda, and candy for the kids. Child hood obesity is epidemic, and it is out moral resaponsibility to do something. Soooo, I say if families get free healthcare, then we make PE classes mandatory in school as well for the kids. get my drift? If you smoke or are grossly obese, you must drop 50 pounds and quit smoking to be covered.
where am I going wrong in that assessment?
isn't this similar to how we feel about the southern region and payments? if folks aren't helping with payments or trail work, we cring when they make statements about the land.....
I can only assume that fully socialized medicine would take away choice of providers, but maybe not. I guess it is in my upbringing. There is something inside of me that grimaces at giving anything to anyone for free. now, if there is a tradeoff for the healthcare, then I am cool with it.
Example: if we provide a low income lady with healthcare for her kids, then by god she should be prohibited from buying Cheetos, soda, and candy for the kids. Child hood obesity is epidemic, and it is out moral resaponsibility to do something. Soooo, I say if families get free healthcare, then we make PE classes mandatory in school as well for the kids. get my drift? If you smoke or are grossly obese, you must drop 50 pounds and quit smoking to be covered.
where am I going wrong in that assessment?
isn't this similar to how we feel about the southern region and payments? if folks aren't helping with payments or trail work, we cring when they make statements about the land.....
Positive vibes brah...positive vibes.
you're not wrong piggy, you're just an asshole! 
(how'd ya like that mcglone?)
the only way to make a healthcare system work is to be "cruel" and place a price on every human life; the difference of opinion is whether or not we're all worth the same. similar argument as should joe get paid the same as alex for doing the same job even if alex is twice as efficient. whatever your belief though you've got to have a price because nothing is truly free. the money you make is one way to name your worth; i don't know any other that isn't mostly subjective.
i'm all for and supportive of basic minimums up to "some amount" of coverage, but after that i think you have to be on your own or seek out generous donations or generous doctors and not government requirements. if some disease hit and a vaccine were found that cost $2 million to produce (not costs $1000 and sells for $2 million, but truly costs that amount) then quite frankly every human being on the planet can't be saved. i think socialist healthcare where everyone is kept alive with the best medicine available would head toward this type of disaster. even without top-quality care doctors are constantly getting better and better at spending more and more to keep people alive longer and longer, and there will come a point when the average person costs more than they produce. in a nutshell when that point is reached the system is broken and then we'll be forced to result to "cruelty" to get it turned back around
(how'd ya like that mcglone?)the only way to make a healthcare system work is to be "cruel" and place a price on every human life; the difference of opinion is whether or not we're all worth the same. similar argument as should joe get paid the same as alex for doing the same job even if alex is twice as efficient. whatever your belief though you've got to have a price because nothing is truly free. the money you make is one way to name your worth; i don't know any other that isn't mostly subjective.
i'm all for and supportive of basic minimums up to "some amount" of coverage, but after that i think you have to be on your own or seek out generous donations or generous doctors and not government requirements. if some disease hit and a vaccine were found that cost $2 million to produce (not costs $1000 and sells for $2 million, but truly costs that amount) then quite frankly every human being on the planet can't be saved. i think socialist healthcare where everyone is kept alive with the best medicine available would head toward this type of disaster. even without top-quality care doctors are constantly getting better and better at spending more and more to keep people alive longer and longer, and there will come a point when the average person costs more than they produce. in a nutshell when that point is reached the system is broken and then we'll be forced to result to "cruelty" to get it turned back around
efil lanrete... i enjoy the sound, but in truth i find this seductively backward idea to be quite frightening
I have issues with the health insurance companies, pharmaceutical companies, and the health providers who fall prey to corruption and greed at the expense of many Americans who cannot possibly afford health care for themselves and their families... and for small businesses who cannot afford it either. I don't have issues with mandatory P.E. classes or a ban on cheetos.