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Who the F%$# is stealing draws off 50 Words!?!
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mazzilliuTheGreat
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it sounds like not enough bolts to me. there ought to be another row of bolts running parallell to that, and then perhaps some sort of surface you can stand on connecting the bolts. kind of like a ladder, only this is much better because it goes up a freaking mountain. then the problem of getting to the top would be much easier and you guys dont have to expend so much effort getting there.D{$Tr[]Y{R wrote:The bolts in the picture on Joe's page seem to be really close together, they must be no more than 2(1/2) ft apart!!! How the heck do you justify not being able to send when the bolts are so close, looks like the new bolts never needed to be there in the first place!!!
Got news for you dude. We're all guests. And until this realization sinks in, actions like this "statement", fueled by a misplaced sense of entitlement, will continue to illicit a venomous response from the rest of the climbing community that does understand.He is a guest at the gorge, while Adam has spent much time there. Therefore, 50 words is not "his project" at all.
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Myke Dronez
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anticlmber
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hammer, meet nailhead.Toy wrote:Got news for you dude. We're all guests. And until this realization sinks in, actions like this "statement", fueled by a misplaced sense of entitlement, will continue to illicit a venomous response from the rest of the climbing community that does understand.He is a guest at the gorge, while Adam has spent much time there. Therefore, 50 words is not "his project" at all.
this is the first really intelligent thing i have read on this god-forsaken post. possibly on the whole intraweb
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gregkerzhner
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wow, takes awhile to catch up on this thread if you miss a few days...
i would have had a lot more sympathy for adam if he posted about stolen draws BEFORE taking action. i think everyone would have supported someone who got a bunch of gear stolen. now, it's like feeling sorry for the fat kid who beat someone up after getting his lunch stolen. basic elementary school ethics.... two wrongs don't make a right.
further, i think calling oneself a "local" simply because you pitch your tent at miguel's and bum like a hippie for a season is fucking bullshit (that said, please no one pee in my pizza). i couldn't agree more that none of us "own" the land. we are all guests, and have been given an amazing opportunity to climb in a beautiful area. respect that, or get out.
i also don't see why we are bringing joe's climbing ability into this. 8a is a joke as far as rankings go. hopefully we have all figured that out by now. maybe he genuinely liked the line, and it meant something to him to send it. the notion of "there's lots of rock, go climb something else" is dumb. there's very few of us who have not had a project that we really wanted to send. in that time, there IS no other route, at least until the project is done. i am the last one to advocate taking draws, but i gotta say that his personal reasons for wanting to send a route are irrelevant in this conversation.
i couldn't help but think of paradise lost as i read this thread. true, it did not involve bolting, but i can remember allah being quite upset at people climbing down and right to get a no-hands on that route (and, if i recall, certain people involved in this argument had no qualms about using it). what was the outcome? the route got downgraded. maybe that would have been the logical step here. i think the people doing the harder variation want the grade as much as those doing it the other way. do i get to upgrade a route if i did it a more difficult way than everyone else? certainly not. i think that's the issue--someone getting "credit" for sending something that others don't feel he is "entitled" to.
but i digress.... stolen gear is no excuse for ruining bolts.
i would have had a lot more sympathy for adam if he posted about stolen draws BEFORE taking action. i think everyone would have supported someone who got a bunch of gear stolen. now, it's like feeling sorry for the fat kid who beat someone up after getting his lunch stolen. basic elementary school ethics.... two wrongs don't make a right.
further, i think calling oneself a "local" simply because you pitch your tent at miguel's and bum like a hippie for a season is fucking bullshit (that said, please no one pee in my pizza). i couldn't agree more that none of us "own" the land. we are all guests, and have been given an amazing opportunity to climb in a beautiful area. respect that, or get out.
i also don't see why we are bringing joe's climbing ability into this. 8a is a joke as far as rankings go. hopefully we have all figured that out by now. maybe he genuinely liked the line, and it meant something to him to send it. the notion of "there's lots of rock, go climb something else" is dumb. there's very few of us who have not had a project that we really wanted to send. in that time, there IS no other route, at least until the project is done. i am the last one to advocate taking draws, but i gotta say that his personal reasons for wanting to send a route are irrelevant in this conversation.
i couldn't help but think of paradise lost as i read this thread. true, it did not involve bolting, but i can remember allah being quite upset at people climbing down and right to get a no-hands on that route (and, if i recall, certain people involved in this argument had no qualms about using it). what was the outcome? the route got downgraded. maybe that would have been the logical step here. i think the people doing the harder variation want the grade as much as those doing it the other way. do i get to upgrade a route if i did it a more difficult way than everyone else? certainly not. i think that's the issue--someone getting "credit" for sending something that others don't feel he is "entitled" to.
but i digress.... stolen gear is no excuse for ruining bolts.
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