Dear Mrs. Clinton
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gulliver- " but the answer is that any Democratic nominee will be "radical left" by default. The Right has fully adopted their tactics for campaigning"
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10-4. It is distasteful to consider modifying who I would support based on the reaction it would get from a conservative media and there tactics to villify Democrats.
But, if Hillary wins, I am afraid that folks whose sole media source is Bill OReilly or Rush will be fed their filthy skewed and unfair opinions, with predictable swings in public opinion.
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10-4. It is distasteful to consider modifying who I would support based on the reaction it would get from a conservative media and there tactics to villify Democrats.
But, if Hillary wins, I am afraid that folks whose sole media source is Bill OReilly or Rush will be fed their filthy skewed and unfair opinions, with predictable swings in public opinion.
"It really is all good ! My thinking only occasionally calls it differently..."
Normie
Normie
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Alan,Alan Evil wrote:This is total bullshit. The country was split right down the middle with most polls showing a very slight lean against the war. Fucking revisionists. Half does not equal most, you know? Just like less than 40% does not equal "the vast majority" as I heard Bill O'Reilly say about the people that "elected" Shrub. Open your eyes because your ears are filled with lies.the lurkist wrote:Dear Alan,
I voted for the war not because I was hoodwinked by a bunch of bs, (I wasn't), but b/c my constituency was at the time for the war, as was most of the country. I am an elected representative, after all- that is to say, I represent my constituency.
Please understand, politics aren't always so simple as you would like them to be.
Sorry for the war dead.
Love,
Hillary
I think Daniel Schorr's (NPR analyst) explanation for Hiilary's vote is most reasonable. He said, to paraphrase, that when in time of national crisis the POTUS says country X is a imminent threat to the US and is asking the Congress to back his play, and the POTUS gives facts and figures to back his claims that country X is a threat, Congress has historically given the POTUS the latitude he requests to protect the US.
Now, whether that is satisfying to you or not, I think it is reasonable, and Hillary's vote taken in that context and with that qualification, is excusable.
"It really is all good ! My thinking only occasionally calls it differently..."
Normie
Normie
Eh, I just don't like her. I wasn't a huge fan of her husband but either of them would be better than this joker we have in office now.
I think it's telling that the progressive or liberal or whatever you want to call them side of the political spectrum argues about what or who is better and actually compares and contrasts. The right side of the spectrum seems to believe they should never question their superiors from their party and they all should say the same thing... often.
Yes, we on the left are a very loose knit bunch with contrasting beliefs but it's much better than what shitfucks like Zasshole think is the way citizens should behave.
I think it's telling that the progressive or liberal or whatever you want to call them side of the political spectrum argues about what or who is better and actually compares and contrasts. The right side of the spectrum seems to believe they should never question their superiors from their party and they all should say the same thing... often.
Yes, we on the left are a very loose knit bunch with contrasting beliefs but it's much better than what shitfucks like Zasshole think is the way citizens should behave.
[size=75]You are as bad as Alan, and even he hits the mark sometimes. -charlie
"Not all conservatives are stupid, but most stupid people are conservative." - John Stuart Mill[/size]
"Not all conservatives are stupid, but most stupid people are conservative." - John Stuart Mill[/size]
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Just a quick refresher course lest we forget what has happened to many "friends"of the Clintons
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> 1-James McDougal - Clinton 's convicted Whitewater partner died of an apparent heart attack, while in solitary confinement . He was a key witness in Ken Starr's investigation.
>
> 2 -Mary Mahoney - A former White House intern was murdered July 1997 at a Starbucks Coffee Shop in Georgetown . The murder happened just after she was to go public with her story of sexual harassment in the White House.
>
> 3- Vince Foster - Former Wite House councilor, and colleague of Hillary Clinton at Little Rock 's Rose Law firm. Died of a gunshot wound to the head, ruled a suicide
>
> 4- Ron Brown - Secretary of Commerce and former DNC Chairman. Reported to have died by impact in a plane crash. A pathologist close to the investigation reported that there was a hole in the top of Brown's skull resembling a gunshot wound . At the time of his death Brown was being investigated, and spoke publicly of his willingness to cut a deal with prosecutors. The rest of the people on the plane also died. Afew days later the air Traffic controller commited suicide.
>
> 5- C. Victor Raiser II- Raiser, a major player in the Clinton fund raising organization died in a private plane crash in July 1992.
>
> 6-Paul Tulley - Democratic National Committee Political Director found dead in a hotel room in Little Rock , September 1992. Described by Clinton as a "Dear friend and trusted advisor".
>
> 7-Ed Willey - Clinton fund raiser, found dead November 1993 deep in the woods in VA of a gunshot wound to the head. Ruled a suicide. Ed Willey died on the same day his wife Kathleen Willey claimed Bill Clinton groped her in the oval office in the White House. Ed Willey was involved in several Clinton fund raising events.
>
> 8-Jerry Parks -Head of Clinton's gubernatorial security team in Little Rock . Gunned down in his car at a deserted intersection outside Little Rock . Park's son said his father was building a dossier on Clinton . He allegedly threatened to reveal this information. After he died the files were mysteriously removed from his house.
>
> 9-James Bunch - Died from a gunshot suicide. It was reported that he had a "Black Book" of people which contained names of influential people who visited prostitutes in Texas and Arkansas .
>
> 10-James Wilson - Was found dead in May 1993 from an apparent hanging suicide. He was reported to have ties to Whitewater.
>
> 11-Kathy Ferguson- Ex-wife of Arkansas Trooper Danny Ferguson, was found dead in May 1994, in her living room with a gunshot to her head . It was ruled a suicide even though there were several packed suitcases, as if she were going somewhere. Danny Ferguson was a co-defendant along with Bill Clinton in the Paula Jones lawsuit. Kathy Ferguson was a possible corroborating witness for Paula Jones.
>
> 12-Bill Shelton - Arkansas State Trooper and fiancee of Kathy Ferguson. Critical of the suicide ruling of his fiancee, he was found dead in June, 1994 of a gunshot wound also ruled a suicide at the grave site of his fiancee.
>
> 13-Gandy Baugh - Attorney for Clinton 's friend Dan Lassater, died by jumping out a window of a tall building January, 1994. His client was a convicted drug distributor.
>
> 14-Florence Martin - Accountant & sub-contractor for the CIA, was related to the Barry Seal Mena Airport drug smuggling case. He died of three gunshot wounds
>
> 15- Suzanne Coleman - Reportedly had an affair with Clinton when he was Arkansas Attorney General. Died of a gunshot wound to the back of the head, ruled a suicide . Was pregnant at the time of her death.
>
> 16-Paula Grober - Clinton 's speech interpreter for the deaf from 1978 until her death December 9, 1992. She died in a one car accident .
>
> 17-Danny Casolaro - Investigative reporter. Investigating Mena Airport and Arkansas Development Finance Authority. He slit his wrists , apparently, in the middle of his investigation.
>
> 18- Paul Wilcher - Attorney investigating corruption at Mena Airport with Casolaro and the 1980 "October Surprise" was found dead on a toilet June 22, 1993 in his Washington DC apartment. Had delivered a report to Janet Reno 3 weeks before his death.
>
> 19-Jon Parnell Walker - Whitewater investigator for Resolution Trust Corp. Jumped to his death from his Arlington , Virginia apartment balcony August 15, 1993. He was investigating the Morgan Guaranty scandal.
>
> 20-Barbara Wise - Commerce Department staffer. Worked closely with Ron Brown and John Huang. Cause of death unknown. Died November 29, 1996. Her bruised, nude body was found locked in her office at the Department of Commerce.
>
> 21-Charles Meissner -Assistant Secretary of Commerce who gave John Huang special security clearance, died shortly thereafter in a small plane crash.
>
> 22-Dr. Stanley Heard - Chairman of the National Chiropractic Health Care Advisory Committee died with his attorney Steve Dickson in a small plane crash. Dr. Heard, in addition to serving on Clinton 's advisory council personally treated Clinton 's mother, stepfather and brother.
>
> 23-Barry Seal -Drug running pilot out of Mena Arkansas , death was no accident.
>
> 24-Johnny Lawhorn Jr. - Mechanic, found a check made out to Bill Clinton in the trunk of a car left at his repair shop. He was found dead after his car had hit a utility pole .
>
> 25-Stanley Huggins - Investigated Madison Guaranty. His death was a purported suicide and his report was never released.
>
> 26- Hershell Friday - Attorney and Clinton fund raiser died March 1, 1994 when his plane exploded.
>
> 27-Kevin Ives & Don Henry - Known as "The boys on the track" case. Reports say the boys may have
> stumbled upon the Mena Arkansas airport drug operation. A controversial case, the initial report of death said, due to falling asleep on railroad tracks . Later reports claim the 2 boys had been slain before being placed on the tracks. Many linked to the case died before their testimony could come before a Grand Jury.
>
> THE FOLLOWING PERSONS HAD INFORMATION ON THE IVES/HENRY CASE:
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> 28-Keith Coney - Died when his motorcycle slammed into the back of a truck,
> 7/88.
>
> 29-Keith McMaskle - Died stabbed 113 times, Nov, 1988
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> 30-Gregory Collins - Died from a gunshot wound January 1989.
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> 31-Jeff Rhodes - He was shot, mutilated and found burned in a trash dump in April 1989.
>
> 33-James Milan - Found decapitated. However, the Coroner ruled his death was due to "natural causes".
>
> 34-Jordan Kettleson - Was found shot to death in the front seat of his pickup truck in June 1990.
>
> 35-Richard Winters - A suspect in the Ives / Henry deaths. He was killed in a set-up robbery July 1989.
>
> THE FOLLOWING CLINTON BODYGUARDS ARE DEAD:
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> 36 -Major William S. Barkley Jr.
> 37-Captain Scott J . Reynolds
> 38-Sgt. Brian Hanley
> 39-Sgt. Tim Sabel
> 40-Major General William Robertson
> 41-Col. William Densberger
> 42-Col. Robert Kelly
> 43-Spec. Gary Rhodes
> 44-Steve Willis
> 45-Robert Williams
> 46-Conway LeBleu
> 47-Todd McKeehan
>
> Quite an impressive list! Pass this on. Let the public become aware of what happens to friends of the Clinton 's!
It took me awhile to find and spot verify alot of this, I guess you want these people back in power, if so, half the people in Washington will die of suicide or unexplainable causes. I see why they want to ban guns, half they're friends shot themselves over the years, but we should ban airplanes, seeing how many of they're friends died in them too
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Alles klar Herr Evil?
>
> 1-James McDougal - Clinton 's convicted Whitewater partner died of an apparent heart attack, while in solitary confinement . He was a key witness in Ken Starr's investigation.
>
> 2 -Mary Mahoney - A former White House intern was murdered July 1997 at a Starbucks Coffee Shop in Georgetown . The murder happened just after she was to go public with her story of sexual harassment in the White House.
>
> 3- Vince Foster - Former Wite House councilor, and colleague of Hillary Clinton at Little Rock 's Rose Law firm. Died of a gunshot wound to the head, ruled a suicide
>
> 4- Ron Brown - Secretary of Commerce and former DNC Chairman. Reported to have died by impact in a plane crash. A pathologist close to the investigation reported that there was a hole in the top of Brown's skull resembling a gunshot wound . At the time of his death Brown was being investigated, and spoke publicly of his willingness to cut a deal with prosecutors. The rest of the people on the plane also died. Afew days later the air Traffic controller commited suicide.
>
> 5- C. Victor Raiser II- Raiser, a major player in the Clinton fund raising organization died in a private plane crash in July 1992.
>
> 6-Paul Tulley - Democratic National Committee Political Director found dead in a hotel room in Little Rock , September 1992. Described by Clinton as a "Dear friend and trusted advisor".
>
> 7-Ed Willey - Clinton fund raiser, found dead November 1993 deep in the woods in VA of a gunshot wound to the head. Ruled a suicide. Ed Willey died on the same day his wife Kathleen Willey claimed Bill Clinton groped her in the oval office in the White House. Ed Willey was involved in several Clinton fund raising events.
>
> 8-Jerry Parks -Head of Clinton's gubernatorial security team in Little Rock . Gunned down in his car at a deserted intersection outside Little Rock . Park's son said his father was building a dossier on Clinton . He allegedly threatened to reveal this information. After he died the files were mysteriously removed from his house.
>
> 9-James Bunch - Died from a gunshot suicide. It was reported that he had a "Black Book" of people which contained names of influential people who visited prostitutes in Texas and Arkansas .
>
> 10-James Wilson - Was found dead in May 1993 from an apparent hanging suicide. He was reported to have ties to Whitewater.
>
> 11-Kathy Ferguson- Ex-wife of Arkansas Trooper Danny Ferguson, was found dead in May 1994, in her living room with a gunshot to her head . It was ruled a suicide even though there were several packed suitcases, as if she were going somewhere. Danny Ferguson was a co-defendant along with Bill Clinton in the Paula Jones lawsuit. Kathy Ferguson was a possible corroborating witness for Paula Jones.
>
> 12-Bill Shelton - Arkansas State Trooper and fiancee of Kathy Ferguson. Critical of the suicide ruling of his fiancee, he was found dead in June, 1994 of a gunshot wound also ruled a suicide at the grave site of his fiancee.
>
> 13-Gandy Baugh - Attorney for Clinton 's friend Dan Lassater, died by jumping out a window of a tall building January, 1994. His client was a convicted drug distributor.
>
> 14-Florence Martin - Accountant & sub-contractor for the CIA, was related to the Barry Seal Mena Airport drug smuggling case. He died of three gunshot wounds
>
> 15- Suzanne Coleman - Reportedly had an affair with Clinton when he was Arkansas Attorney General. Died of a gunshot wound to the back of the head, ruled a suicide . Was pregnant at the time of her death.
>
> 16-Paula Grober - Clinton 's speech interpreter for the deaf from 1978 until her death December 9, 1992. She died in a one car accident .
>
> 17-Danny Casolaro - Investigative reporter. Investigating Mena Airport and Arkansas Development Finance Authority. He slit his wrists , apparently, in the middle of his investigation.
>
> 18- Paul Wilcher - Attorney investigating corruption at Mena Airport with Casolaro and the 1980 "October Surprise" was found dead on a toilet June 22, 1993 in his Washington DC apartment. Had delivered a report to Janet Reno 3 weeks before his death.
>
> 19-Jon Parnell Walker - Whitewater investigator for Resolution Trust Corp. Jumped to his death from his Arlington , Virginia apartment balcony August 15, 1993. He was investigating the Morgan Guaranty scandal.
>
> 20-Barbara Wise - Commerce Department staffer. Worked closely with Ron Brown and John Huang. Cause of death unknown. Died November 29, 1996. Her bruised, nude body was found locked in her office at the Department of Commerce.
>
> 21-Charles Meissner -Assistant Secretary of Commerce who gave John Huang special security clearance, died shortly thereafter in a small plane crash.
>
> 22-Dr. Stanley Heard - Chairman of the National Chiropractic Health Care Advisory Committee died with his attorney Steve Dickson in a small plane crash. Dr. Heard, in addition to serving on Clinton 's advisory council personally treated Clinton 's mother, stepfather and brother.
>
> 23-Barry Seal -Drug running pilot out of Mena Arkansas , death was no accident.
>
> 24-Johnny Lawhorn Jr. - Mechanic, found a check made out to Bill Clinton in the trunk of a car left at his repair shop. He was found dead after his car had hit a utility pole .
>
> 25-Stanley Huggins - Investigated Madison Guaranty. His death was a purported suicide and his report was never released.
>
> 26- Hershell Friday - Attorney and Clinton fund raiser died March 1, 1994 when his plane exploded.
>
> 27-Kevin Ives & Don Henry - Known as "The boys on the track" case. Reports say the boys may have
> stumbled upon the Mena Arkansas airport drug operation. A controversial case, the initial report of death said, due to falling asleep on railroad tracks . Later reports claim the 2 boys had been slain before being placed on the tracks. Many linked to the case died before their testimony could come before a Grand Jury.
>
> THE FOLLOWING PERSONS HAD INFORMATION ON THE IVES/HENRY CASE:
>
> 28-Keith Coney - Died when his motorcycle slammed into the back of a truck,
> 7/88.
>
> 29-Keith McMaskle - Died stabbed 113 times, Nov, 1988
>
> 30-Gregory Collins - Died from a gunshot wound January 1989.
>
> 31-Jeff Rhodes - He was shot, mutilated and found burned in a trash dump in April 1989.
>
> 33-James Milan - Found decapitated. However, the Coroner ruled his death was due to "natural causes".
>
> 34-Jordan Kettleson - Was found shot to death in the front seat of his pickup truck in June 1990.
>
> 35-Richard Winters - A suspect in the Ives / Henry deaths. He was killed in a set-up robbery July 1989.
>
> THE FOLLOWING CLINTON BODYGUARDS ARE DEAD:
>
> 36 -Major William S. Barkley Jr.
> 37-Captain Scott J . Reynolds
> 38-Sgt. Brian Hanley
> 39-Sgt. Tim Sabel
> 40-Major General William Robertson
> 41-Col. William Densberger
> 42-Col. Robert Kelly
> 43-Spec. Gary Rhodes
> 44-Steve Willis
> 45-Robert Williams
> 46-Conway LeBleu
> 47-Todd McKeehan
>
> Quite an impressive list! Pass this on. Let the public become aware of what happens to friends of the Clinton 's!
It took me awhile to find and spot verify alot of this, I guess you want these people back in power, if so, half the people in Washington will die of suicide or unexplainable causes. I see why they want to ban guns, half they're friends shot themselves over the years, but we should ban airplanes, seeing how many of they're friends died in them too
.Alles klar Herr Evil?
The enemy of my enemy is my friend.....