Jared, you really should keep putting up routes. So what if some people don't like them and criticize you? An equal (at least) number of people appreciate what you are doing and are grateful. Do what you love, listen to thoughtful/construction criticism and learn what you want to from it, or screw the critics if you like. Life is too short to live it on other people's terms. Unless, of course, that other person is your lovely wife.
I hope it was obvious that my post about Jared's "problem" was sarcastic (hence the quotes). I was simply referring to the fact that Jared wrote the route descriptions and we both (along with people who vote on the quality of a line in the online guidebook) gave the star ratings so if there is any question about the quality of a line it is our exuberance to blame. I don't see it as such a bad thing but I also don't want people to be mislead.
Yo Ray jack dynomite! Listen to my beat box! Bew ch ch pff BEW ch ch pfff! Sweet!
One thing we can all agree on is Jared's ability in picking a wonderful lady for his spouse. At this time they should be out on some crag in the Phillipines on their honeymoon. (Hope there are no internet connections there.)
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We cannot change the cards we are dealt, just how we play the hand. - Randy Pausch
None are so old as those who have outlived enthusiasm. - Henry David Thoreau
I didn't see the post as beating up on the FA. This is an old climbers discussion. I thought SCIN's response was perfect. That's as far as it had gotten when I first saw it this morning. I thought weber's response was juvenile. I think mine is outrageously stupid and uninformed and certainly the work of some asshole who can't NOt join in. I'm a turd , but Hey! it's a cesspool.
A classic should be pretty sustained in my opinion
Does that mean Wild Yet Tasty isn't classic?
That's exactly what it means. Wild Yet Tasty is good, but nowhere near top 5 for 5.12a in the gorge. It might be on the high end for the top 10 routes of 5.12a though
so add it to the mix..classic means "top 5" to chicken coop.
but wait, if there used to be 100 routes at 5.12a, and 5 were top 5 classics , shouldn't we now have at least 10 routes labelled as "classics" as our number of routes expands? you know, keep the percentage steady?
oh yeah, classic is some ignorant label that is so outdated....from now on "5.fun" is the proper rating for a world class line......carry on.
to me 'classic" means more when its a past tense term. and so I agree, its hard to say a route is classic when its only been bolted and "up" for about 2 years. That being said, in about 10 years there will be a number of classics at Muir. Then again, this is just my opinion and NOT the opinion of the general climbing community.
**I had to fit that last comment in so to not be labeled a MV hater...God forbid**
For a real old timers perspective when I first started coming to Red River Gorge in the early 70's I considered it to be a complete pile of sandstone choss. Climbing was just something fun to do when on a camping or backpacking trip. Real classics were only found at Seneca, the Gunks, Linville, or out West.
"Be responsible for your actions and sensitive to the concerns of other visitors and land managers. ... Your reward is the opportunity to climb in one of the most beautiful areas in this part of the country." John H. Bronaugh
A classic should be pretty sustained in my opinion
Does that mean Wild Yet Tasty isn't classic?
That's exactly what it means. Wild Yet Tasty is good, but nowhere near top 5 for 5.12a in the gorge. It might be on the high end for the top 10 routes of 5.12a though
The high end of top ten routes would be the top five since the mid-range of top ten routes would be number 5. (semantics, I know)
Jesus only knows that she tries too hard. She's only trying to keep the sky from falling.
, but Hey! it's a cesspool.