Jugs

Post by **Toy** » Thu Dec 01, 2005 1:24 pm

Do it however you want and call it a send whenever you feel like you sent it.

As long as you don't "Seppuku" it.

Post by **ynot** » Thu Dec 01, 2005 2:53 pm

I suspect the stupid rules are born from too much gym climbing.

Post by **Wes** » Thu Dec 01, 2005 3:32 pm

ynot wrote:I suspect the stupid rules are born from too much gym climbing.

Nope, there were way more stupid rules back in the days before gyms.

Post by JB » Thu Dec 01, 2005 4:34 pm

agree with wes... they existed before gyms... but gyms make it worse... it saddens me to see the need for attaining "value" be so obvious in climbing. I think the whole rating system is what started it personally. We took our escape and made it just like what we were trying to escape from.

There is nothing like when you've been spotting/encouraging somebody on their project, then you stop to chat with somebody while the climber sends their project. The look on their face when they realize nobody witnessed the send is truly sad. To say I haven't fallen victim to this would be a lie as well... and so be it. Climbing is part of life... there will always be those who want to build themselves up by tearing you down.

Post by **Lateralus** » Thu Dec 01, 2005 4:38 pm

SCIN don't hate the sport! hate the climbers!

Post by **Toad** » Thu Dec 01, 2005 6:32 pm

You should have hit him. Not so much because of his comment, but because he was acting as an ill mannered turd to someone that was older than he. He probably has been in need of an asswhipping for some time.

Post by **Danny** » Thu Dec 01, 2005 9:12 pm

Ray you shoulda told him that you read in the new guide book that the jug was on for old folks.

Post by **mcrib** » Fri Dec 02, 2005 7:00 pm

Wes what stupid rules do you think existed before gym climbing. The phenomenon of outdoor eliminates comes straight from climbing gyms. People who spend all there time inside pumping eachothers egos came up with this shit. Not the old school trad climbers who just wanted to get to the top.

Post by **Wes** » Fri Dec 02, 2005 7:03 pm

"Stupid" old school rules:

The leader must not fall.
You have to bolt from the ground up (if at all)
If you fall, you have to lower and pull the rope before trying again (no hangdoggin')
You have to be an appretnence for x number of years before you are allowed to lead.
There are tons more, esp. when you look at the mountianeering clubs rules from the 50's and 60's.

Post by JB » Fri Dec 02, 2005 7:14 pm

and what about:

chalk is cheating!!
oh, you used climbing shoes... well then it's 8+, definitely not a 10.
friends? you're bringing climbing down bro. I sent it as a 5.11 with just nuts and hexes and a camlock... using jardines trickery makes it 5.2

i'm telling you, the problem comes from the introduction of ratings. if i can attach my value to a number, i will be seen as "worthy". gyms make it worse, but they didn't cause the problem.

(note: I run a gym)

JB