meetVA wrote:Look at staph infections that antibiotics can't touch.
Oh dang it! Wait, internal disequilibrium, I may have to hold off my conversion.
Now, now, I'm not trying to convert anyone! But staph has not been found on any other planet, and it hasn't wiped out our species, so it hasn't passed Darwin's test yet.
Anyway, it's starting to get crowded in here with all these strawmen.
Kato, the presence or absence of life on other planets has nothing to do with the validity of Evolution. Have you read "Origin"? Darwin doesn't extrapolate evolutionary theory anywhere close to that extent. If fact, the major theme of Origin centers on phylotetic transformation, not speciation. Phylotetic transformation has been observed countless times. Just take an antibiotic and see how your intestinal flora changes. For that matter speciation has been observed. You are confused man. Anyway, what you're really trying to debunk is the Stanley-Urey experiment. Darwin never touches on the creation of life, which they attempt, only what happens to lineages of organisms over time. It's probably best not to try to debunk evolution until you understand it.
Toy wrote:Darwin doesn't extrapolate evolutionary theory anywhere close to that extent.
Darwin doesn't extrapolate anywhere close to what subsequent evolutionists attempt. Which is a good thing, because then the argument starts to crack. Which was my point.
Here's what some smart mofos had to say about the subject at hand:
Science without religion is lame, religion without science is blind.
- Albert Einstein, in The New Convergence
The whole history of science has been the gradual realization that events do not happen in an arbitrary manner, but that they reflect a certain underlying order, which may or may not be divinely inspired.
- Stephen W. Hawking
To confine our attention to terrestrial matters would be to limit the human spirit.
- Stephen W. Hawking
Your theory is crazy, but it's not crazy enough to be true.
- Niels Bohr
To know that we know what we know, and to know that we do not know what we do not know, that is true knowledge.
- Copernicus
The opposite of a fact is falsehood, but the opposite of one profound truth may very well be another profound truth.
- Niels Bohr
Do you remember how electrical currents and "unseen waves" were laughed at? The knowledge about man is still in its infancy.
- Albert Einstein
As far as we can discern, the sole purpose of existence is to kindle a light in the darkness of being.
- Carl Jung
The mystery of life is not a problem to be solved but a reality to be experienced.
- Aart Van Der Leeuw
Go confidently in the direction of your dreams! Live the life you've imagined. As you simplify your life, the law of the universe will be simpler.
- H.D. Thoreau
Man will occasionally stumble over the truth, but usually manages to pick himself up, walk over or around it, and carry on.
- Winston Churchill
Everything you see has its roots in the unseen world. The forms may change, yet the essence remains the same. Every wonderful sight will vanish; every sweet word will fade, But do not be disheartened, The source they come from is eternal, growing, Branching out, giving new life and new joy. Why do you weep? The source is within you And this whole world is springing up from it.
- Jelauddin Rumi
All speech, action, and behavior are fluctuations of consciousness. All life emerges from, and is sustained in, consciousness. The whole universe is the expression of consciousness. The reality of the universe is one unbounded ocean of consciousness in motion.
- Maharishi Mahesh Yogi
It is proof of a base and low mind for one to wish to think with the masses or majority, merely because the majority is the majority. Truth does not change because it is, or is not, believed by a majority of the people.
- Giordano Bruno
Man did not weave the web of life, he is merely a strand in it. Whatever he does to the web, he does to himself.
- Chief Seattle
Two things are infinite: the universe and human stupidity...and I'm not sure about the universe.
- Albert Einstein
I want to know how God created this world. I am not interested in this or that phenomenon, in the spectrum of this or that element. I want to know His thoughts; the rest are details.
- Albert Einstein
Suddenly, from behind the rim of the moon, in long, slow-motion moments of immense majesty, there emerges a sparkling blue and white jewel, a light, delicate, sky-blue sphere laced with slowly swirling veils of white, rising gradually like a small pearl in a thick sea of black mystery. It takes more than a moment to fully realize this is Earth…home. My view of our planet was a glimpse of divinity.
- Edgar Mitchell, Apollo 14 astronaut and founder, Institute of Noetic Sciences
All matter originates and exists only by virtue of a force… We must assume behind this force the existence of a conscious and intelligent Mind. This Mind is the matrix of all matter.
- Max Planck, Nobel Prize-winning Father of Quantum Theory
We shall not cease from exploration. And the end of all our exploring will be to arrive where we started and know the place for the first time.
- T. S. Eliot
What we are looking for is what is looking.
- St. Francis of Assisi
That was beautiful. You're not gay, are you Tradmike? I mean, if you were, I'd think about changing over. But since you're straight and all, wanna go shoot some animals together?
[size=75]You are as bad as Alan, and even he hits the mark sometimes. -charlie
"Not all conservatives are stupid, but most stupid people are conservative." - John Stuart Mill[/size]
Many of those are beautiful quotes and ideas, but I hope that no one reading them would get the false impression that Planck, Einstien, Bohr or Hawking would want the Discovery Institute's non-scientific "Intelligent Design" propoganda presented to children in a science class. So called "ID" is simply outside of the realm of science, it is metaphysics. Hell, even right-wing commentator George Will argued against putting ID in public schools. He pointed out one of the many reasons that it simply isn't science: "... it can't be disproven."
Science has very real limits. It is a symbolic logic construct that simulates the world around us in useful ways. It can't disprove the existance of god(s) any more than it can prove it. In a 'review' of ID proponent Phillip E. Johnson's book "Darwin on Trial", Stephen Jay Gould says:
I have already illustrated his central conflation of Darwinism with hostility to religion. I was particularly offended by his false and unkind accusation that scientists are being dishonest when they claim equal respect for science and religion: "Scientific naturalists do not see a contradiction, because they never meant that the realms of science and religion are of equally dignity and importance. Science for them is the realm of objective knowledge; religion is a matter of subjective belief; . The two should not conflict because a rational person always prefers objective knowledge to subjective belief." Speak for yourself, Attorney Johnson. I regard the two as of equal dignity and limited contact. "The two should not conflict," because science treats factual reality, while religion struggles with human morality. I do not view moral argument as a whit less important than factual investigation.
i was just trying to be silly... and generalize to make a point. if any of you thought i was actually serious...well then... your sarcastic reading comprehension skills suck.
fwiw... I am not in favor of teaching ID in schools... science please. leave faith for philosophy classes... but seriously... homo bed-bugs disprove the existance of god? whatever works for you.
[size=75]i may be weak, but i have bad technique[/size]
