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sweet a new era of 5.9+ and 5.9++!
too many puppies concensus rating?
someone always has to bring up Ro... jesus christ people. Ro is THE benchmark .11d in the Red. Get over it. There used to be a good hold at the very last part of TMP. It fell off but it was sooooo much at the very last part that the route didn't really change. It's .12a and IMO nowhere near the hardest .12a in the gorge. Of course, I never was an endurance climber...
I don't have any issue with someone saying that Ro is 11c or 11d, I was just trying to point out that currently this site has it as a 12a and TMP's is significantly harder than Ro, by the way it has always been my opinion that someone who is climbing at their limit is probably better at judging the difficulty of a route than someone who is climbing a number grade or two below their limt, what do you think about this?
Too Many Puppies, now that is such a sweet climb!! I remember seeing that thing for the first time back in 95' when I could bearly get up defy the Law... I thought wow can people really climb that cool route? Then later I would hear horror stories about the last clip and the "porter hanger" and think...not for me. When I finally got on it and began to work thru the moves and figure out my way to climb the thing, I discover for myself how sweet that route is. The clip at the last bolt can easily be done with a simple balance stance that when done correctly doesn't require much "holding on" I use to fear the large "porter" hanger at the last bolt that if I fell above it, it would slice me open...I am kinda sad it is gone.
oh and yeah 12a. Chainsaw feels harder to me
oh and yeah 12a. Chainsaw feels harder to me
"Climbing is the spice, not the meal." ~ Lurkist
"Too Many Puppies" does have a really good rest in the middle so that helps to eliminate the endurance factor and you can do the crux move at the end with a semi-fresh set of forearms. One of my favorite aretes in the Red! Very aesthetic with great moves!
"Those iron spikes you use have shortened the life expectancy of the Totem Pole by 50,000 years."
--A Navaho elder
--A Navaho elder
We have definitely seen a lot of "Isn't this route harder?" lately. I personally think that it comes from the mind set that says, "Hey, I have done 1 or 2 (or how ever many) 12a's, so I should be able to do this one. I can't, so it must be 12b." Fact is, there will always be climbs at an attainable grade that you can't send due to lack of technique, strength, endurance, height . . . or whatever.
There is a climb i can't do that is two number grades easier than my hardest send, and I don't feel it is misgraded. I think it just hits my weakness (and hits it hard).
And Too Many Puppies is one of the greatest at the grade.
There is a climb i can't do that is two number grades easier than my hardest send, and I don't feel it is misgraded. I think it just hits my weakness (and hits it hard).
And Too Many Puppies is one of the greatest at the grade.
Can't we all just get along?