too many puppies concensus rating?

[Eric]

I think the start is harder now for some reason. I have always considered skipping the last clip but have this awful image in my head of racking myself if I fall.

[Stewy911]

is heady in spots

[Wes]

Skip the last bolt and you might backflip (I almost did), but that is the beta. Felt 12a ish to me - a little bit bouldery with good rests. Very, Very cool route though, and with new bolts (thanks to Terry), it is a must do at the grade.

[Eric]

that was the other thing was that I kept thinking I would fall directly on the old Porter bedframe hanger that was the last bolt. Maybe the new bolts are just the change I need.

[heavyc]

I also have heard that some of the better holds have broken off of Too Many Puppies although I was never on it before the last 2-3 years, if Ro is a 12a then Too Many Puppies is a 12b, even if Ro is an 11d then TMP's would be a hard 12a

[haas]

Every climbing area has that one feel good route for the grade and Ro is it for the Red. Campusing the monkey bars on a school playground is harder than that route. 11c at best

[Paul3eb]

12a right on. it's not quite as tough as infectious but slightly harder than wild yet tasty (11d) and stay the hand (11d/12a). there'll be plenty of argument about it but so what.. maybe just a general 12- rating would do more to silence the debates. when it gets down to letters, there will always be disagreement.

[zikester]

I gotta agree with you on that haas, ro has to be that feel good route in the red. It gets to be pumping as all get out, but its a sweet ride

[Horatio Felacio]

man this is the whole problem with the online guidebook consensus ratings...to many pussies complaining that they can't climb hard enough and overgrading everything they do manage to send.

i feel very strongly that redriverclimbing.com, ray ellington, rrgcc, and muir valley should leave all route ratings to me, unless i designate someone else (since i can't climb hard enough to rate every route). all in favor say I!

[J-Rock]

Aye!