too many puppies concensus rating?

Post by **zikester** » Wed Aug 31, 2005 5:44 am

I was curious about the ratings of too many puppies out at left flank...I know it's a 12a but had been told that its more like a 12c because several holds had flaked off. I more or less wanted a general concensus of what other people who had done this climb thought that it was rated in its current state.

Post by **Wes** » Wed Aug 31, 2005 11:10 am

12a, but not your typical RRG 12a.

Post by **Stewy911** » Wed Aug 31, 2005 11:36 am

i would say 12a+ if that means anything

Post by **J-Rock** » Wed Aug 31, 2005 12:36 pm

It definitely felt harder than the other 12a's I've been on at the Red. The top part spit me off. But, the consensus says 12a so it must be a 12a.

Post by **mikeandbob** » Wed Aug 31, 2005 1:22 pm

I got no problem calling that 12b

Post by **SCIN** » Wed Aug 31, 2005 1:57 pm

Concensus out of 12 people is .12a. I would agree.
http://www.redriverclimbing.com/RRCGuid ... .php?id=22

Post by **haas** » Wed Aug 31, 2005 2:03 pm

I would agree that it is .12a. Most people who I've heard claim it is harder are the kind of guys that are good at overhanging thug hauls like Twinkie, etc. and not technical routes. I think the climbing is unique for the red, but the moves are no harder than .12a

Post by **Horatio Felacio** » Wed Aug 31, 2005 3:21 pm

why has the "stiff rating" been lost with most people?

Post by **Joe Finney** » Wed Aug 31, 2005 3:43 pm

Its been 12a for the longest time, what seems to be the problem. It seems like some people are getting weaker, and they dont want to admit they cant climb 12a. Anyways its just a number..

Post by **Stewy911** » Wed Aug 31, 2005 3:49 pm

YUP! just a number.......................thank you joe!!! HELL FIRE!