One more for the dumper

Post by **pigsteak** » Fri Mar 28, 2008 3:50 pm

http://news.yahoo.com/s/politico/200803 ... itico/9229

just seeing if Wes is out climbing this weekend, or monitoring this website.

Looks like McCin has more cross party support than either Obama or Clinton. Sorry suckas, the neo cons win again!!!!!

Post by **krampus** » Fri Mar 28, 2008 3:54 pm

why do these political threads have to be so negative

Post by **pigsteak** » Fri Mar 28, 2008 3:56 pm

shut up kramping.

you are just pissed because your two lying libbie candidates can't seem to get their stories to match the reality of video tape.....

how was that for some love?

Post by **dmw** » Fri Mar 28, 2008 4:29 pm

I don't think McCain will get much financial help from big business, however, even if they will vote for him....

Post by **SCIN** » Fri Mar 28, 2008 4:44 pm

Thatâ€™s the entire problem with the McCain I see today. He doesnâ€™t know what his position is because he doesnâ€™t want to govern on his own positions. For someone looking for personal honor and honesty in government, how could I possibly support this? Compared to someone who is just as two-faced in my own party, heâ€™d be more likely to have my support. But apparently, that scared, confused man that I saw last year is, in fact, the real John McCain. Backwheeling and pandering to the very people he once denounced. Once voters get better acquainted with that man, heâ€™ll understand exactly why Rudolph Giuliani fell so far, so fast. Voters want an independent, and when they realize McCain is not that, they will withdraw their support. It's bullshit.

Post by **Yasmeen** » Fri Mar 28, 2008 6:24 pm

All hail the president of the Constitution Club!

Post by **SCIN** » Fri Mar 28, 2008 6:37 pm

Obama has worked to differentiate himself from Clinton on the war by noting that he opposed it from its inception while she did not. A chance to battle with the leading Republican candidates over the war is an opportunity not to be missed for Obama.

By the same token, McCain knows that the base of the Republican Party remains loyal both to President Bush and his policies in Iraq. He also knows that he must overcome skepticism toward him among that same base -- the lingering effect of his challenge to Bush during the 2000 presidential primaries. What better way to show his loyal Republican stripes than to bash Clinton and Obama on the war? It's bullshit.

Post by **pigsteak** » Fri Mar 28, 2008 7:27 pm

holy shit...a new level of engagement....scin posting on politics.

I'm utterly dumb founded.

Post by **ynot** » Fri Mar 28, 2008 7:34 pm

posting intelligently ,I might add. I'll translate what he said. -Mcain sucks

Post by **SCIN** » Fri Mar 28, 2008 7:42 pm

I keep it inside. I'm not one to get into big discussions on the issues but as voters are paying little to no attention to this skirmish between McCain and Obama, the back and forth shit does provide a window into the fucked up territory on which the 2008 presidential election will be fought. The question for both sides is whether their eventual nominee can (or needs to) moderate their position on the war in order to win the crucial swing voters in places like Ohio and Florida. Is de-funding the troops a position that most swing voters are willing to adopt? What about support for the surge resolution and a continued faith in America's ability to win the war? It's bullshit.