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new guidebook

Posted: Tue Sep 25, 2007 7:32 pm
by ecp88
Has anyone seen if there are any new trad lines listed in the new guide book? If all the new routes are bolt ladders in Muir Valley then its not worth it, I can save my money.

Posted: Tue Sep 25, 2007 8:30 pm
by SCIN
Yea, there are some new trad lines. Probably not enough to warrant buying a new book though.

Posted: Tue Sep 25, 2007 8:32 pm
by Jeff
That's funny.
You must not have climbed many routes in Muir.
Or your just into slamming the Webers.

Re: new guidebook

Posted: Tue Sep 25, 2007 8:41 pm
by bcombs
ecp88 wrote:If all the new routes are bolt ladders in Muir Valley then its not worth it, I can save my money.
There are also new bolt ladders in the PMRP. But, you should really try climbing instead of aiding on the bolts. It's more enjoyable.

Posted: Tue Sep 25, 2007 8:47 pm
by ecp88
Jeff wrote:That's funny.
You must not have climbed many routes in Muir.
Or your just into slamming the Webers.
Absolutely not - I have great respect for the Webers. And yes, I've climbed my share of routes in Muir. Its the clean, nice smelling sport climbers in line in front of me on all the routes at Muir that makes trad climbing so much more pleasurable.

Posted: Tue Sep 25, 2007 9:55 pm
by SCIN
Actually after thinking a bit more about it there are quite a few new trad lines on the PMRP and at Muir. The majority of the new lines are sport routes though. In the "old" areas there are a few new ones too.

Posted: Tue Sep 25, 2007 10:06 pm
by Wes
ecp88 wrote: Its the clean, nice smelling sport climbers in line in front of me on all the routes at Muir that makes trad climbing so much more pleasurable.
Heh, spoken like a newby tard climber for sure. Maybe once you grow up and get a bit stronger and better you might come to learn that while the red has some pretty good trad lines here and there, it is truly an amazing sport climbing area. People do not come here from around the world to climb at fortress, they come here to sample some of the very best sport climbing anywhere.

Posted: Tue Sep 25, 2007 10:10 pm
by pigsteak
start climbing solid 12's ecp88, and all your problems disappear.

and buy the book..ray and michelle deserve it.

Posted: Tue Sep 25, 2007 10:32 pm
by 512OW
pigsteak wrote:start climbing solid 12's ecp88, and all your problems disappear.

and buy the book..ray and michelle deserve it.
Amen.

Posted: Tue Sep 25, 2007 10:50 pm
by Andrew
I haven't ever waited in line for a sport climb, but when was the last time I climbed something under 5.12.