Climbing Access

Post by **Torrent Falls** » Tue Nov 28, 2006 11:19 am

Just some food for thought about climbing access and private owners.

Let's take the RRG area as an example. If you had a piece of land, 20 acres or more, passed down through generations. All of a sudden you came back home to this land and there area a bunch of climbers that are on you cliffs. What would you do? The climber's bolted your cliffs, did not ask permission and just came in and took over. Do you like all these strangers and dogs? No, you chase them away. What happens, the climbers are mad at the land owner. Who is trespassing? Personally, I would say it was great while it lasted and would not get mad.

Why did Roadside parking area stop camping. I talked to the Judge Executive about this. It is because it was a roadside stopping area, never a campground. They are concerned over the sanitation impact of people camping and doing their business on the grounds. I hear to this day, that people are mad because you cannot camp there and people still due. In spite of the signage.

My point is: The takers have trespassed enough and we do not live in a "free" society (free as in monetary). The takers are the biggest complainers. The takers trespass on others properties and do so without asking or without respect to the owner and the land. If I want to go hunt on someone's property, I get permission to hunt and do not take it out on the landowner. Treat the land owners as you want to be treated. If you want to climb on someone's property get permission. Other climbing areas are in danger.

Maybe it is just me, and I am old fashioned. Or maybe I am just sad, because I know how much fun it was with the older climbing generation who did have compassion for the owner and the land. Boo Hoo.

Post by **Toad** » Tue Nov 28, 2006 11:30 am

The future is Ownership.

Post by **pigsteak** » Tue Nov 28, 2006 11:50 am

The future is indoor climbing gyms, and no outside access.

Post by **SCIN** » Tue Nov 28, 2006 11:51 am

The future is port-a-lets.

Post by **Torrent Falls** » Tue Nov 28, 2006 11:57 am

The future is dog kennels with automatic water and food dispenser, dog beds, and pictures of trees

Post by **Ballss** » Tue Nov 28, 2006 12:19 pm

It's the heard mentality. People saw others camping at Roadside and thought "wow free camping!" They (and me) assumed it was kosher. Same goes for most climbing areas. I'm reminded of the Promised Land in Southern Illinois. I don't even know whose land it is. I just assume that since it's been developed it's cool. Perhaps this approach is too lacsidaisical, but that's just how the mob functions.

Post by **allah** » Tue Nov 28, 2006 12:25 pm

the future is, doing things by the book. Ask permission, get PERMITS when needed, and not dig a huge hole for your self to climb out of. The future is not taking frustration out on others. Oh, and what toad said

Post by **pigsteak** » Tue Nov 28, 2006 12:28 pm

allah, are you following all of those rules brah?

Post by **rhunt** » Tue Nov 28, 2006 12:40 pm

pigsteak wrote:The future is indoor climbing gyms, and no outside access.

I agree completely piggie

Future gym owners in Lexington are going to be very sucessful!!

Post by **Ascentionist** » Tue Nov 28, 2006 1:00 pm

Ironically, people find great deals (ie, free camping) and then do not appreciate the value. It's free, no one is regulating it, so do what you want, trash it, abuse it, and then complain when the freebie gets taken away.

Sounds about like human mentality.