Closed Trad Lines

[pigsteak]

Should trad lines ever be "closed" as a personal project? Not trying to stir, just curious where the current consensus lies. BTW, how do we actually red tag a crack? just put red tape on a stick and wedge it in the crack?

[Crankmas]

it may come down to a communications issue but if someone cleaned and placed anchors it would good karma to give them a while to bag it, for instance: the line needed extensive cleaning and time to place anchors, bad weather/darkness whatever set the timetable back for the FA, give some time, if its a blank line that tops out and has had no effort involved climb it and go get a pizza

[pigsteak]

so crank..here is my personal dilemma...trad line that needs one bolt in the middle, but needs no anchors....will be at my personal limit on gear. if I think someone will come up and snake it after i put it the bolt, then i am reluctant to do so. there are many who could hike it, but for me it will take a few burns, and may involve months of time before I do those burns. i want to post a "no trespassing" sign at the base, but am thinking that would not uphold the pigsteak corollary of "don't be a wuss"..

[Crankmas]

put in the bolt and then follow your own advice, it will all wash out in the end

[Crankmas]

or... TR it into submission, making absolutely sure of bolts location, don't eliminate the bolt because you get it wired because it would then be unsafe for the onsight climber but place the bolt when your chances of sending are increased- just another suggestion

[Saxman]

It's amazing how contrived we can make things. Look at how much can go wrong; you tag it and can't send it before someone else sneaks in and steals your hard earned glory, you leave it till you know you can send it and someone comes in and does it before you, you tag it and take months to send making you the laughing stock of the climbing world. Funny part is that people who tag sport routes cannot be 100% sure some unethical person didn't sneak in and bag their route without telling anyone. Of course, if ignorance is bliss, does it really matter if someone else does your route but then keeps it a secret letting your name go in the history books?

[pigsteak]

well said saxman...i guess when route developing part of the intrigue is the entire process....from spotting the line, envisioning the moves, adding protection where necessary, and then linking it all up. if this process is intentionally interrupted by another, it takes some of the sheen away....

[Crankmas]

theres glory in rockclimbing?

[Saxman]

Yeah, lots of glory and money.

[Saxman]

Maybe someone could come up with some sort of expandable device which could be placed in a crack and locked, thereby guaranteeing your FA.