Sandbag or Softy?

Post by **SCIN** » Tue Nov 22, 2005 1:23 am

Here's a list of all routes in the database which have a different concensus grade than the grade originally given:

DISCLAIMER: THESE STATISTICS ARE JUST FOR FUN. DON'T LET THEM HURT YOUR FEELINGS

http://www.redriverclimbing.com/RRCGuid ... tings.html

Post by **SCIN** » Tue Nov 22, 2005 1:34 am

By the way, a lot of the ridiculously skewed ratings are a result of one person's voting (your user ID is recorded in the database) so I will be removing all of his/her votes from the results and repost the page.

Post by **mcrib** » Tue Nov 22, 2005 1:57 am

Wow, even some of the stuff that isn't way off is still suprising. Snooker 12d?

Post by **goodguy** » Tue Nov 22, 2005 4:43 am

Mad Porters Disease!

Post by **Mike Jones** » Tue Nov 22, 2005 1:51 pm

SCIN, get @ your boy (me) if you want some help on the PHP side of things. I'll keep those votes from getting skewed. Skew!

Post by **Power2U** » Wed Nov 23, 2005 3:09 am

I just reviewed the list... an all I gotta say is people's opinion on this sight is the last thing you should be using to grade these routes.... I bet half the people who have graded them haven't even sent the route.

Table, original start 12c...come on!
Urban Voodo...13a give me a break!
And the list goes on.

Post by **Power2U** » Wed Nov 23, 2005 3:11 am

goodguy wrote:Mad Porters Disease!

Go give this thing a try and let us know what you think.... after you red point it!

Post by **pigsteak** » Wed Nov 23, 2005 3:17 am

lol..I think those were meant to be funny Power2U...spray lords love to call table hard 12....that makes the original only 12d then...

Post by **SCIN** » Wed Nov 23, 2005 3:20 am

Power2U wrote:I just reviewed the list... an all I gotta say is people's opinion on this sight is the last thing you should be using to grade these routes.... I bet half the people who have graded them haven't even sent the route.

I didn't say that I use people's opinions to grade routes. However, if I hear many people say that they think a route is sandbagged or soft then the opinions on this site will heavily weigh on my decision to change the rating in the hardcopy guide.

Your statement did make me think of a good enhancement though. I'll only allow people to rate a line if they have it on their spray list.

Post by **maine** » Wed Nov 23, 2005 3:25 am

Power2U wrote:
Table, original start 12c...come on!
Urban Voodo...13a give me a break!
And the list goes on.

Yea, I am not sure wether to roll my eyes or laugh hysterically.

Surprisingly Bare Metal Teen wasnt mentioned which I always felt was a little stiff for 12a compared to the others of the same grade in the gorge.

All in all Scin, leave the ratings what the equiper rated. They usually aren't off by much if at all. And honestly due to the nature of the climbing in the gorge it is easy to "wire" a route making it seem much softer than an onsight burn.

Prime example, I sent Tuna Town as a "warm up" one day after having climbed it many times. However, that was far from normal. Hell now, I would be happy just to get to the chains! Fuck, I would be happy to sit at the base of the climb and wax nostalgic.

God I miss the gorge!!!!!