Is it true that the RRGCC is going to buy the private land which holds crags such as Oil Crack, The Arena, Dark Side, Solar Collector, etc. and turn it over to the National Forest Service?
Please, someone tell me this isn't true.
RRGCC is going to buy land and turn it over to the NFS?
RRGCC is going to buy land and turn it over to the NFS?
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john e aragon
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i have learned from a high RRGCC offical that there is a plan to buy land in this area to further the number of routes in that area. the person who told me this made on mention of giving the land to anyone. only that this land would add to the climbing in the red. i am sure that (no matter backwards the RRGCC is) they only have the best interests of climbers at heart and would not waste time or money on land that would not be used for climbing!
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Look, it costs a bunch of money to own land (taxes, insurance,etc). So, by "turning" the land over to the FS, the RRGCC does not have to pay these things every year. Now, I am pretty sure that there will be conditions to the land swap, e.g. that climbing and development can continue as they currently are. That is just the best way for it to happen.
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Here's a late entry report:
I'm doing research for the RRGCC on ownership of the Dark Side/Solar collector. It is not clear yet who owns that property. The deeds are so confusing that even the Lee County PVA (who assesses property taxes) has that land as labeled "unknown" as to ownership. Nobody pays taxes for that land currently.
Before the RRGCC will exercise an option to purchase on the Murray property, we'll have to determine what crags their land encompasses. Preliminary indications show that the Murray's own from the Motherload (not including the Motherload) west to Drive-By. They probably own Oil Crack and the Arena, but I haven't confirmed that yet.
There is clearly a dispute from another landowner as to ownership of the Dark Side/Solar Collector. As such, I would recommend not publishing those routes yet.
As far as the other areas, the Murrays have given direct permission to a few individuals to climb on their property. It remains to be seen whether masses of climbers would create a problem or if the Murrays would mind. My gut feeling is that it probably isn't a problem as long as climbers don't interfere with oil operations (which the Murrays do not own). Until these issues are resolved, the safer thing to do would be to not publish the area. I'm not preaching, since I published these areas without a lot of thought about impacts. Fortunately, not a lot of problems have arisen, but that's no justification in and of itself. I personally won't criticize Ray for publishing these new routes, but from a practical/strategic standpoint it's probably not a good idea. [I don't support publishing new routes on FS land, however.]
As far as actual purchase of the Murray property, until we know what we have, we won't move forward on an actual purchase. I expect to fairly determine ownership in the next month. If anyone would like to join me in the Lee County Clerk's office some day, I could use the help.
Assuming that all of the climbing areas mentioned are on Murray property, we'll then move forward with ideas on how to purchase it. No decisions have been made, thus all considerations are open at this point including outright purchase, leasing, purchase of a "climbing easement", re-sale to another entity (eg. feds, county gov't), etc. The Access Fund is not involved at this point and I wouldn't anticipate much contribution from them.
Here's a late entry report:
I'm doing research for the RRGCC on ownership of the Dark Side/Solar collector. It is not clear yet who owns that property. The deeds are so confusing that even the Lee County PVA (who assesses property taxes) has that land as labeled "unknown" as to ownership. Nobody pays taxes for that land currently.
Before the RRGCC will exercise an option to purchase on the Murray property, we'll have to determine what crags their land encompasses. Preliminary indications show that the Murray's own from the Motherload (not including the Motherload) west to Drive-By. They probably own Oil Crack and the Arena, but I haven't confirmed that yet.
There is clearly a dispute from another landowner as to ownership of the Dark Side/Solar Collector. As such, I would recommend not publishing those routes yet.
As far as the other areas, the Murrays have given direct permission to a few individuals to climb on their property. It remains to be seen whether masses of climbers would create a problem or if the Murrays would mind. My gut feeling is that it probably isn't a problem as long as climbers don't interfere with oil operations (which the Murrays do not own). Until these issues are resolved, the safer thing to do would be to not publish the area. I'm not preaching, since I published these areas without a lot of thought about impacts. Fortunately, not a lot of problems have arisen, but that's no justification in and of itself. I personally won't criticize Ray for publishing these new routes, but from a practical/strategic standpoint it's probably not a good idea. [I don't support publishing new routes on FS land, however.]
As far as actual purchase of the Murray property, until we know what we have, we won't move forward on an actual purchase. I expect to fairly determine ownership in the next month. If anyone would like to join me in the Lee County Clerk's office some day, I could use the help.
Assuming that all of the climbing areas mentioned are on Murray property, we'll then move forward with ideas on how to purchase it. No decisions have been made, thus all considerations are open at this point including outright purchase, leasing, purchase of a "climbing easement", re-sale to another entity (eg. feds, county gov't), etc. The Access Fund is not involved at this point and I wouldn't anticipate much contribution from them.
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Bruisebrother
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SCIN, The purchase of the Southern Region has been a topic for quite awhile now, but has come to light in the past year! The Bruisebrother-Indy Mafia coaliton has been following it. As far as it being taken over by the Forest Service, with a gurantee of continued climbing will never happen! The Forest Service hasn't the manpower or the money to control climbing in the Gorge as it is and this situatuion will be getting worse! Our sources have come from as high up as Washington .
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