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wow, there are more places than i thought out there.

anyone climb the 5.7's here.
no stars. only the 4 climbs. what does anyone think?

thanks.
va

I've never been there but I bet Ynot has. He's been to all of the out of the way trad areas.

Thats one I havent gotten to but I thought about it a few times.Ive been sticking to 2 and 3 star routes,but I would love to go to Window with you Va.

Am I sick? Maybe but hey....Y...NOT?!

Get it?

Do you think that maybe it could still be good even if they have no stars?
Come, let's boldly go where few have gone before!

I've heard that "The Onyx" at Wolfpen (near Window Wall) is really good. If you guys climb it could somebody take a photo and post it? I'd like to see if it is worth checking out.

I use to ignore stars and climb anything. I was happy just to be climbing. I soon realized the star system was a good indicator for quality, and I wasted time doing stuff no one would follow and had to figure out how to retrieve my gear. A one star trad route may still be worth doing. A no star trad route is usually choked with mud, stuff growing out of it and the faces covered with fungus, but not always. Sometimes they are just out of the way and boring with no way to get down.
here's an example. My What a Pretty Crack5.7or 6, I dont remember. The bottom was an unexciting offwidth but not bad then a 15 foot handcrack that was wet in the summertime and choacked with moss.. The route hadn't been done in 15 years so all the moss grew back,but yea once it was a nice handcrack.

There a couple of good boulder problems at window wall and really long bouldering traverse.

Send us the beta on finding window or will the guide directions get us there no problem?

Do they have any stars in the printed book that didn't make it to the online guide? I'm not sure that stars or a lack of stars is too big of deal for some of the climbs at more obscure crags. Slimy Creature at Indian Creek Crag is a really cool route and its only one star.

Its 2 stars in the printed guide. it alsomentions a route called wishbone at Window, but gives no paticulars. Theres a wide crack and a handcrack. Anyone here done these routes?