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hey, im taking a group of people to the red for a camping/climbing trip... i have top roped outdoors, and i sport climb in local gym, Urban Krag, but im concerned with hitting the sport routes on the rock. Ropes and draws are coming, plus a crash pad for the nasty starts... but my main question is, what all do i need to pack? please, anyone who reads this, drop a line with a few suggestions. not only what is needed, but what also is recommended for ease of the trip.

thanks for your time.
ps. anyone got suggestions for nice routes to climb? 5.10 and below for the first trip... areas and fav routes are appreciated.
thanks
Seraph

Start early and do the routes on the far right at Roadside (they get busy quick). They're graded 5.7-5.10. Download the pdf on the front page of this site.

i would recommend hiring a guide. i can tell you from experience that trying to teach someone(not to mention several someones) to belay and climb is a very intense experience. nerve racking, to say the least.hire a guide. hire a guide. hire a guide.you will be so happy that you did. and so will your companions, more importantly, they won't hate you at the end of the day.

Left Flank offers five nice routes two 10a's and a 9 and two 8's. Pack everything you'd need on a camping trip. Don't forget matches or a lighter... I have a dozen lighters because I always forget them and then buy one at a gas station. Plenty of places to buy fire wood in the red... support the trailers!

thanks for the route suggestions guys... will i need any cams hexes or nuts for an emergency? any other tips for the anchors or such?

most stuff is pretty well bolted, especially if you go to well established areas which would be the most logical thing to do. you might want to invest in a stick clip if you're worried about hairy starts. i have a squid which is great but you can get away with something much simplier, like a paint pole with a clamp. look around on the web for more details if you need them.

pawilkes wrote:most stuff is pretty well bolted, especially if you go to well established areas which would be the most logical thing to do. you might want to invest in a stick clip if you're worried about hairy starts. i have a squid which is great but you can get away with something much simplier, like a paint pole with a clamp. look around on the web for more details if you need them.

Yeah, you can get away with something simpler....like a stick

make sure you know how to clean the anchors, becuase from the sound of your post you don't know how to.

Definitely invest in a stick clip. The squid is the best once you know how to use it, but not required. A stick clip is easier to carry than a boulder pad. Besides, you're not going to run into a cool boulder problem beside your routes. It's the Red, and decent bouldering is scarce.

Also, there is no alcohol sales on Sunday. Bring enough to tide you over until Monday.