belaying through both parts of your harness
Posted: Sat Dec 05, 2015 4:50 pm
I am aware that about ten years ago Petzl came out with new recommendations for using the grigri safely and that now they state that it is safest to belay using the belay loop rather than putting the biner through both parts of your harness to avoid cross loading and snapping the biner in half. Of course, many of had been belaying for many years with the biner through both parts of our harness prior to the new guidelines coming out.
If you change to belaying using the belay loop, it alters the orientation of the grigri from horizontal to vertical and the break position from off to the side to down in front.
I have tried several times to get used to belaying using the belay loop, but it feels totally awkward. My concern is that I feel really confident in my belaying the way I have always done it because I have 20+ yrs of doing it the exact same way over and over. I have not had any issues with the biner cross loading. My concern is that if I try to force myself to do the new system that it will not be as safe due to it being awkward and not automatic in terms of knowing exactly where the grigri and rope are in space at all times without looking at it.
Who has changed their system to the belay loop and who has stayed with putting the biner through both parts of the harness? What is more dangerous?--possibility of cross loading the biner or trying to belay in a new awkward way?
How common is it for accidents to occur due to crossloading the biner?
I have definitely seen a lot of accidents due to people changing belay techniques or getting a new belay device.
The owner of my gym asked me to change the way I am doing it because Petzl states this is the recommended way. He feels it puts him in a bad legal position if he lets people belay off of their harness rather than the belay loop.
This is a serious question--no trolls please.
If you change to belaying using the belay loop, it alters the orientation of the grigri from horizontal to vertical and the break position from off to the side to down in front.
I have tried several times to get used to belaying using the belay loop, but it feels totally awkward. My concern is that I feel really confident in my belaying the way I have always done it because I have 20+ yrs of doing it the exact same way over and over. I have not had any issues with the biner cross loading. My concern is that if I try to force myself to do the new system that it will not be as safe due to it being awkward and not automatic in terms of knowing exactly where the grigri and rope are in space at all times without looking at it.
Who has changed their system to the belay loop and who has stayed with putting the biner through both parts of the harness? What is more dangerous?--possibility of cross loading the biner or trying to belay in a new awkward way?
How common is it for accidents to occur due to crossloading the biner?
I have definitely seen a lot of accidents due to people changing belay techniques or getting a new belay device.
The owner of my gym asked me to change the way I am doing it because Petzl states this is the recommended way. He feels it puts him in a bad legal position if he lets people belay off of their harness rather than the belay loop.
This is a serious question--no trolls please.