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Re-slinging Cams
Posted: Tue Dec 18, 2012 10:49 pm
by tania
1" webbing tied with a water knot VS. 6 or 7 mm cord tied with triple fisherman's knot???
Please don't tell me to send it back to the manufacturer to re-sling because that's not an option right now!!
Re: Re-slinging Cams
Posted: Tue Dec 18, 2012 11:23 pm
by toad857
scotch tape works best
Re: Re-slinging Cams
Posted: Wed Dec 19, 2012 1:31 am
by LK Day
Before sewn slings we used 1" webbing and a water knot. Leave plenty of tail and tighten the knot with full body weight bouncing. That's still probably your strongest option until you can get them re-sewn.
Re: Re-slinging Cams
Posted: Wed Dec 19, 2012 2:26 am
by terrizzi
The webbing option will allow for a little stretch where the cord wont. Id go for the webbing
Re: Re-slinging Cams
Posted: Wed Dec 19, 2012 12:04 pm
by cliftongifford
It doesn't make much difference... go with what you have the most of, or is the cheapest.
Re: Re-slinging Cams
Posted: Wed Dec 19, 2012 8:36 pm
by toad857
terrizzi wrote:The webbing option will allow for a little stretch where the cord wont. Id go for the webbing
Is cordalette static? If it is, then I'd go with the webbing 100%.
Re: Re-slinging Cams
Posted: Thu Dec 20, 2012 1:36 am
by ynp1
Yes more static then webbing. Webbing is pretty dynamic.
Have you ever tightened or walked a slackline?
Re: Re-slinging Cams
Posted: Thu Dec 20, 2012 10:44 am
by cliftongifford
When you're talking about only a few inches of material, stretch doesn't come into play. The reduction of force during a fall is attributed to a dynamic rope and a good belayer, not what type of material you sling your cams with. Many cam companies use spectra/dyneema on their cams, that's about as static as it gets.
Re: Re-slinging Cams
Posted: Thu Dec 20, 2012 1:03 pm
by terrizzi
Here is a cool article from BD thats discussing re-slinging your gear.
http://www.blackdiamondequipment.com/en ... s-and-c3s/
The thought on surface area when loaded is particularly interesting. Ive herd chatter from techs from companies evaluating some serious downfalls from spectra/dyneema slings when drop tower tests are preformed. Mainly that while spectra/dyneema have a higher static strength when compared to tubular webbing its melting point is much lower, and when girth hitched or slung incorrectly (doubled alpine draws) the friction applied from just a couple falls can cause melting and failure of the spectra/dyneema. Apparently that is why the DMM Dragons have that nifty tail piece.
Re: Re-slinging Cams
Posted: Thu Dec 20, 2012 4:03 pm
by toad857
cliftongifford wrote:When you're talking about only a few inches of material, stretch doesn't come into play. The reduction of force during a fall is attributed to a dynamic rope and a good belayer, not what type of material you sling your cams with.
It's not about everyday use--it's about those rare occasions that we like to think we "control" for.
Imagine a factor 2 fall directly on a poorly equalized anchor--a tiny bit of stretch may be the difference between the whole thing blowing or holding. Even with a couple of inches, the amount of shock load can be much lower with a little stretch.