Ro Shampo

[rhunt]

Ok so this always seems to come up. What do you think the route should be rated 11d or 12a. It use to be 12a back in the day, I think even printed as such in one of the older guide books. But now it is 11d and I think it was just down rated because people got strong and could warm up on it.

[t bone]

In Porters original multi colored paper guide it was rated11c/d.Which i just dug out my archives to read.

[merrick]

haven't we already has this discussion before??

[rhunt]

merrick, maybe, I 've only been a part of this web page for about 4 months.

I would love to hear again why people think it is 11d. For the most part I really don't care, I just want to know how people came to the conclusion that it is now 11d.

[merrick]

here are two threads we have already had on this topic. it sure is popular

http://www.redriverclimbing.com/viewtopic.php?t=152

http://www.redriverclimbing.com/viewtopic.php?t=558

[rhunt]

merrick, Thanks for the heads up. I don't want to beat a dead horse here but I am curious.

Well for what it's worth here's what I say

Stay the hand..12b
Ro 12a
tic tac 12b

[Guest]

I can point a D and an A cicks my ass.I think maybe it is a 12a in the summer and a 11d in the winter.

Have you ever tasted better in the winter?

[Wes]

J.H. is that a "bill-point"? Just checking the spray thing, and unless you haven't been updating, it appears your "best" send is pogue ethics, although you are "working" a 12a/b.

Wes

[SCIN]

Well, I've been at the cliff before when J.H. is there and I can tell you that I think he may be the reincarnated Beta Bill. You can't hide Bill! Look out girls, Beta Bill is back!

[Guest]

SCIN, you are wrong. J.H. is betaMAX.