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Hey all,

Left three BD quickdraws on Mona Lisa Overdrive at the Solar Collector just before Thanksgiving. I left them there as directionals for my climbing partner who was toproping the line. Came back on the following Sunday to a large crowd and my quickdraws were nowhere to be found. Anybody have any idea where they are or who took them? I didn't think they qualified as booty quite yet...

just like bolts, draws are considered abaondoned gear.

by the vultures anyway.

Regardless of the route grade, when you leave the draws on the route overnight, or even leave them there during the day and walk away, you run the risk of not finding them there the next day. And it is a chance that many climbers are willing to take. If you aren't -- then don't leave them, very simple. The rest is all details.

There were no draws on Mona Lisa Overdrive on Friday, in case you are wondering, so they were gone way before Sunday. I don't know how far "before" Thanksgiving you put them there, but regardless, your toproping friend could have (and should have) easily removed the directionals as he was climbing past them. Or you could have done it yourself. That route is not steep or hard to clean, so there is no point at all in leaving draws on it.

In general, people view a situation of draws hanging on every bolt (except maybe the first one or two) as "project draws, leave alone", and situation of one or two draws hanging randomly as "booty, O.K. to take". And there is also a common sense of "project draws on 5.9 are really stupid"

I don't advocate taking draws that aren't mine, but...

couldn't someone just as easily ask "Why would you ever leave draws on a warmup?"

For fun, or at least my amusement, can you explain, "I left them there as directionals for my climbing partner who was toproping the line."? Did you also leave the rope hanging?

Oh and please leave all draws on any route regardless of the grade, we are slowly working on fixing the entire Red with perma-draws. Should be done by spring 2012!

Alex3000 wrote:When do draws left on a warmup become booty?

When everyone that was at the crag that day leaves.

Why did you not clean them??? If the whole route is hung, I think you can call them "project" draws, but just a few left on the route sounds like a gumby that did not know how to clean a route... BOOTY!

Kinda lame how many draw-snatching opportunistic cheapskates infest the Red in the fall... it's like locust season around here. Sorry you were another victim... I don't leave anything on anything anymore, even fixed lines on new routes in progress are at risk. Why don't people just leave shit at the crag and let the owner come back and get them when they come back? Draws, shoes, whatever...

dustonian wrote:Kinda lame how many draw-snatching opportunistic cheapskates infest the Red in the fall... it's like locust season around here. Sorry you were another victim... I don't leave anything on anything anymore, even fixed lines on new routes in progress are at risk. Why don't people just leave shit at the crag and let the owner come back and get them when they come back? Draws, shoes, whatever...

um cuz the rest of the Red would look like the Lode...a pile of warm crap...lawn chairs, water jugs, tape, energy bar wrappers, cigarette butts, dog poop, human feces,you know...the usual.

Three draws as directionals but no mention of draws at the anchors. Were you top-roping thru fixed gear? In that case, I don't feel so bad about your gear being taken, you weren't using it properly anyway!!!