anchor draws from the Rifleman

[toad857]

my buddy's two anchor draws were taken recently from the top of the rifleman at eastern sky bridge.

if you cleaned them on accident, let me know and we can meet up. the red, richmond, lexington, cinci, columbus, cleveland, and anywhere in southeast kentucky would work for me. i get around. thanks.

[rhunt]

So just two draws on the anchors? That's easy for someone to assume it's booty.

[toad857]

the hell it is.

[Pumpkin]

Why would you just leave two draws on the anchors? Seems like booty...if you had left the whole route it would have been a different story...

[toad857]

why would they be booty? explain how they could be conceived as 'abandoned'

anchor draws are clearly not bail 'biners--obviously whoever put them there completed the route. maybe they were projecting it on toprope and it got dark, so they decided to come back another day. happens all the time.

so, how could two draws on the anchors seem like booty?

in all my years at the red i've come across tons of routes that only have 2 draws on the anchors. you know what i think when i see them? "great--now i don't have to go through the cleaning ritual. i can just lower and get outta here." not once have i thought "sweet, i guess i'll take them"

anyway, they were my buddy's... just thought there may be a chance that whoever took them would realize that they jumped the gun on that one.

[gripster]

i am still waiting for all the pirate charades.......

[drivel]

why would they be booty? explain how they could be conceived as 'abandoned'

anchor draws are clearly not bail 'biners--obviously whoever put them there completed the route. maybe they were projecting it on toprope and it got dark, so they decided to come back another day. happens all the time.

so, how could two draws on the anchors seem like booty?

they could pretty easily seem like booty when two draws is way more gear than you need to leave if you just want to simplify cleaning the route. two carabiners is all you need for that.

and if you were "projecting it on toprope" and can't figure out when the sun sets or how to bail on less than two fully assembled quickdraws, well.... they're still abandoned.

[Savage]

two draws on the top are not booty! depending on bolt placement, two biners might not be a good set-up to lower off of. The draws on the top could help equalize the anchors.

Poor form to take stuff off the anchors unless its unsafe (i.e. worn biners, bad webbing, etc..)

[granite_grrl]

why would they be booty? explain how they could be conceived as 'abandoned'

why would they be meant to be left there? explain how they could be conceived as 'project draws'

Two biners left there, sure....but two draws left at the top of a route resemble booty more than anything else.

[gripster]

ok i will chime in with a serious comment this time, or i will try. taking gear off an anchor is total bullshit. nobody has to bail off an anchor. what do you guys think, some climbers just don't know how to clean an anchor and therefore they just leave a couple of draws every time they finish a route? i guess you just cant have any faith in climbers anymore to do the right thing. i used to think that most climbers had better ethics than your average joe, but i guess that idealistic view just isn't true anymore.