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Closing projects in the first place is stupid, you can't claim a section of rock to be yours. Once you put your bolts into the rock at a public cliff, they then belong to everyone. I have never closed a route I put up, and I never will. Who cares who gets the FA... its rock climbing, we do it for fun, not pride or ego. Oh, and if you are going to close it, don't bolt something that is going to take five years to send, tell someone else about it and let them put it up. There is nothing worse than walking past a bolted line and not being able to get on it just because someone has redtaped the thing. Closing a line for a few days is one thing, but when it turns into a couple of months, that completely changes the story. Although this is bad, it doesn't even begin to compare to hoarding entire crags....

I tottaly disagree, if you pay for the hardware take the time to drill the holes you should have the right to get the FA. There is plenty of other stuff in the red without tags on it so it's not like you have no other options for climbing.

since those bolts and hangers you put up belong to me (as a member of the community), mind if I borrow them? I have a route I want to bolt that is way cooler than yours, but I am short of cash and need some hangers. After I send it, you are welcome to come retrieve them from the new community property state I made.

oh yeah, if it doesn't matter who gets the FA, why are you trying to decide who DOES/ DOES NOT get the FA? hypocrite.

If someone puts the work into bolting a route I'm fine with them closing it. It's a pretty small payment for all the work they did, especially since there are like a godzillion other routes to climb. I don't think gear routes should be closed though.

actually, I am changing my mind. There are no longer "project draws"....just community property. I plan on taking all draws that are left until I can mix/match a full set...

"change" is where its at- got my priorities out of wack- where they at?

oh yeah, if it doesn't matter who gets the FA, why are you trying to decide who DOES/ DOES NOT get the FA? hypocrite

I'm not trying to decide who gets it, and I am saying it is stupid to care who gets it, but for some reason it seems like that is all people are worried about.

for each one who can't decide there is one who can... for each one who doesn't care there is one who does... use protection grasshopper

Whether or not it's stupid or egotistical or altruistic or whatever doesn't matter, I still would support the bolter's decision about tagging.

since those bolts and hangers you put up belong to me (as a member of the community), mind if I borrow them?

Go for it, just make sure you put them back after you've finished flailing all over your pile.

There are no longer "project draws"....just community property. I plan on taking all draws that are left until I can mix/match a full set...

I said not a word about draws, completely different issue.

There is plenty of other stuff in the red without tags on it so it's not like you have no other options for climbing.

Don't count on it, as the 8 ball says.