red tagged

Post by **pigsteak** » Wed Oct 15, 2008 2:39 pm

I know this one has been killed before, but I want to revisit it. The latest rag has an article on stealing red tagged proj's.

What is the local consensus? Should any red tagged route be open to the strongest climber? Should the equipper be given 1 year? should there be any time constraints before a line becomes public property? should the equipper be monetarily compensated for their time and hardware if a red tagged route is snaked?

Is it cool to work a red tagged route before it is open? That is, dial the moves so as soon as the red tag is gone, you can send with all the beta sussed out?

Post by **Andrew** » Wed Oct 15, 2008 2:49 pm

I have stated my opinion before, but here we go again and I am bored.

Red tags should be respected, but...
-absolutely no longer than a year
-should be less than 6 months
-If equipper has no time to work on route it should be opened

I can't remember what else.

Post by **Crankmas** » Wed Oct 15, 2008 2:59 pm

reasonable response- next case

Post by **pigsteak** » Wed Oct 15, 2008 3:22 pm

"absolutely no longer than a year"

why a year? why absolutely? who made you god?

and why open it? can the equipper pass it on to a friend? and that friend gets an additional year?

Post by **rhunt** » Wed Oct 15, 2008 3:27 pm

The person who bought all the hardware and puts in all the hard work decides the rules....period!!

**Unless the land owner has his (or her) own set of rules about red tags**

Post by **TankAzz** » Wed Oct 15, 2008 3:31 pm

i think the idea is that a year seems like a reasonably long enough time to send a project. i think it's okay to figure out beta for a quick redpoint, only if the equipper has given you permission (duh).

other than that, i can't stand it when people act like they have a God-given right to get on whatever climb they wish. be happy someone is out there bolting routes, people! if you want an FA so badly, go find your own line and bolt your own damn project!

Post by **chriss** » Wed Oct 15, 2008 3:35 pm

First of all, I always respect red tagged routes.

I agree with andrew. I also agree to some extent with rhunt, except I always looked at redtags as an optional request. The same way that a stop sign or red light is optional. I have seen reasonable projects that have been closed for over a year. I understand that some bolters live several hours plus away, get injured, etc. But it seems that after some period of time a bolter would open up the route so that the community at large can enjoy it.

Post by **ynot** » Wed Oct 15, 2008 3:38 pm

Stop signs and red lights are optional? Are you the same asshole that tried to run me over when I was parking cars?

Post by **chriss** » Wed Oct 15, 2008 3:42 pm

ynot wrote:Stop signs and red lights are optional? Are you the same asshole that tried to run me over when I was parking cars?

Just to clarify if you can't read into my statement enough to understand ..

Sure. If you run them you may get in an accident or get a ticket. But yes, they are optional. If you climb on a redtagged route you will probably piss someone, or some people off. But yes optional. (Though I never would get on a red tagged route).

Post by **rhunt** » Wed Oct 15, 2008 3:43 pm

Yes because we are at such a shortage of routes at the red, I can't wait a year to climb that redtagged route.

It just a crazy concept to me that after hours of hard work and about $150/$200 in hardward someone else gets to decide when the routes is open for all to get on. **Again excluding rules already set be a landowner.**